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Post by fakedang »

Jensson wrote: post #151
fakedang wrote: post #63

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Honestly, if Veo becomes public faster than Sora, they could win the video AI race. But what am I wishfully thinking - it's Google we're talking about!

> But what am I wishfully thinking - it's Google we're talking about! Google the company known to launch way too many products? What other big company launches more stuff early than them? What people complain about Google is that they launch too much and then shut them down, not that they don't launch things.

Google lost first place in AI precisely because they've been walking around imaginary eggshells regarding AI's effect on the public. That led to the whole Gemini fiasco and the catch up game they've had to play with OpenAI-MSFT.

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spaceman_2020 wrote: post #421
fakedang wrote: post #63

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Honestly, if Veo becomes public faster than Sora, they could win the video AI race. But what am I wishfully thinking - it's Google we're talking about!

The cost to switch to new models is negligible. People will switch to Sora if its better instantly I’ve switched to Opus from GPT-4 for coding and it was non-trivially easy

Sorry, but lock in effects are real. End users, solo devs and startups might find it trivially easy, but enterprise clients would go through hoops before a decision is to be made. And enterprise clients would rather not go through with that, hence they'll stick to whoever came first, unless there's a massive differentiator between the two.

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mFixman wrote: post #437
Octokiddie wrote: post #377

Oddly enough, I predict the final destination for this train will be for moving images to fade into the background. Everything will have a dazzling sameness to it. It's not unlike the weird place that action movies and pop music have arrived. What would have been considered unbelievable a short time ago has become bland. It's probably more than just novelty that's driving the comeback of vinyl.

AI generated images and video are not competing against actual quality work with money put into it. They are competing against the quick photoshop or Adobe Aftereffects done by hobbyists and people learning how to work in the creative arts. I never heard HN claiming that Copilot will replace programmers. Why do so many people believe generative AI will replace artists?

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Post by ants_everywhere »

mccraveiro wrote: post #22

They didn't show any human videos, which could indicate that the technology struggles with generating them.

Gemini still won't generate images of humans or even other hominids. They're missing here probably for the same reason. Namely that they're trying to figure out how to balance diverse representation with all the various other factors.

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Post by mapt »

paxys wrote: post #370
arcticbull wrote: post #354

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Similarly the Veo example of the northern lights is a really interesting one. That's not what the northern lights look like to the naked eye - they're actually pretty grey. The really bright greens and even the reds really only come out when you take a photo of them with a camera. Of course the model couldn't know that because, well, it only gets trained on photos. Gets really existential - simulacra energy - maybe a…

That's not true at all. I have seen northern lights with my own eyes that were more neon green and bright purple than any mainstream photo.

"With my own eyes"

But what sort of eyes are those?

Priming the opsins in your retina is a continuous process, and primed opsins are depleted rapidly by light. Fully adapting your eye to darkness takes a great deal of darkness and a great deal of time - on the order of an hour should set you up.

Most human beings in arctic regions live in places and engage in lifestyles where it's impossible to even come close to attaining the full light sensitivity of the human retina in perfect darkness. The sky never gets dark enough in a city or even a small town to get the full experience, and if you saw your smart watch five minutes ago you still haven't fully recovered your night vision. Even a sliver of moon makes remote dark-sky-sites dramatically brighter.

Everybody is going to have different degrees of the experience because they'll have eyes with different degrees of dark adaptation. And their brains are going to shift around the ~10^3x dynamic range of the eye up or down the light intensity scale by a factor ~10^6, without making it obvious to them.

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Post by pkaye »

tauntz wrote: post #179

Uh.. First it tells me that I can't sign up because my country is supported (yay, EU) and I can sign up to be notified when it's actually available. Great, after I complete that form, I get an error that the form can't be submitted and I'm taken to https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/video-fx where I can only press the "Join our waitlist" button. This takes me to a Google Form, that doesn't have my country in…

Its not US only though. Mostly just excluding the EU countries until they can be sure to pass all relevant regulations.

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Post by faragon »

I would ask for specific raytraced animated scene with geometric objects of plane colors. Indicating the object location and the camera route.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #439
Ferret7446 wrote: post #412

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> I could see the northern lights way better than all the full-color-vision people around me How would you know?

Quote the entire sentence, not just a portion of it.

I don't see how that's relevant, unless you're able to possess people looking at their phones to experience what they're experiencing.

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Post by falcor84 »

astrange wrote: post #507
falcor84 wrote: post #248

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> coming back to the "follow through". Google Search, Gmail, Chrome, Android, Photos, Drive, Cloud etc. all are excellent examples of Google's long term commitment Do you have any examples of something they launched in the last decade?

Photos was launched in the last decade.

Early 2015 - technically correct. But I hope you would agree that their ability to release successful products has significantly diminished between the decade 2005-2014 to 2015-2024, apparently in reverse proportion to their headcount.
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