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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by johannes1234321 »

nindalf wrote: post #345
johannes1234321 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The very short is, that AT&T between 1974 and 1982, due to the telephony monopoly rulings, wasn't allowed to sell software. Thus they gave their research results to universities, like Berkely.

How different is that from tech giants using their monopoly profits to develop software that they give away for free? You say AT&T gave away some software to universities. Similarly Google gives away Go (among many other projects) as FOSS for anyone to use. If Google didn't have to worry about money, they might not develop these things to give away for free.

Google is "giving away" Go in order to get en ecosystem, which means they can offload training to a community and maybe even get code from external.

They give away Chrome for spreading it and giving them control over web standards.

AT&T gives UNIX away as they have no revenue stream on top of it and it being research.

Google isn't giving out their research work.

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Post by ThouYS »

runjake wrote: post #467

One prerequisite is: "Be a member of good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more, and have an app that had more than one million first annual installs on iOS in the EU in the prior calendar year." The realistic part of me thinks this sounds like more resistance to the DMA. Another part of me thinks this will be good for security. Some random can't get a dev account and publish malwar…

these zero days are already the status quo?!

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Post by halostatue »

madeofpalk wrote: post #484
markus92 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one million requirement is where you start paying them the 50cts per install, right?

You pay the CTF 50 cents on all installs outside of the Apple App Store. You get 1m free Apple App Store installs/year.

Unless that's changed for the worse, you are misremembering the CTF rules.

App marketplaces pay 0.50€ per install-year from zero.

App developers (except web distribution, perhaps) get 1M free app installs per year, regardless of marketplace.

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Post by NorwegianDude »

arminluschin wrote: post #433
fundatus wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, since Mozilla will have to pay 50ct per year per install to Apple to actually bring Firefox to iOS, I doubt it will happen unfortunately.

I believe they can continue to distribute via App Store for free.

No, the "core technology fee" applies to the app store too.

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Post by mizzao »

Etheryte wrote: post #84

The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

And at some point, the effects may well ripple back to the US as well.

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Post by adventured »

AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #457
meowtimemania wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What technologies are we expecting to be open sourced from those companies?

IOS would be cool... IMessage? Basically everything? That would be a strict improvement for humanity over the current state of affairs.

> Basically everything?

Anything large and successful in the US economy should be forced into the public domain. /s

When do we break up ASML and Taiwan Semiconductor and force them to give all of their technology to the US with no compensation? They're large, successful, de facto monopolies. All of their IP should be forced into the public domain across the board.

The US needs to start hitting ASML with massive fines. 1/4 of their earnings perpetually should be a good start.

We should also very clearly be allowed to utilize all trademarks for any purpose and at any time, since we're obliterating intellectual property. I should be free to use the BMW and Mercedes names for anything I like, including in the auto sector to compete with them. They should not be allowed to have a monopoly over those brands, it restricts competition.

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

somat wrote: post #489

The whole app ecosystem(android and apple) is carefully constructed for maximum market owner value extraction, user value is a secondary consideration. Basically, it is what the web would look like if it were developed by corporate interests, conversely "apps" could have been a better designed web[1], but instead are this comparatively clunky gated process where you have to explicitly install the app first only then…

To be fair, this evolved naturally.

The TI calculators were progamable, my brother used those.

Then the pocket pcs (windows ce) had 3rd party programs, those were distributed as files by the publisher. Program stores were webpages were people sold their files. I used the skyscape medical books; you installed the program as usual, then you bought a code specific for your version and file. All that done through a webpage

Then we have android. Google had the Marketplace (now playstore) as we know it today, except packages didnt use google services to validate licenses, Many times it was just a package (a file) The main progress was ease of use.

Then comes iOS and their extreme BS of not being able to "sideload" "apps" The store is no longer a convenience, it is a requirement. For your safety, of course. The main "progress" here is that they convinced many "Americans" that a commodity affordable phone with a painted cartoon of a bitten apple is "Exclusive", as VIP only. I compare it to the NFT phenomena, except the fruit cartoon did stick.

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Post by leptons »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #483
Etheryte wrote: post #84

The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

These are some cult-like requirements. The term "good standing" comes not from business, it comes directly from the domain of authoritarian-destructive cults.

I'm not sure why the EU would let Apple make up the terms of their surrender. It's like letting a convicted felon decide on their punishment.
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