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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by tirant »

anakaine wrote: post #431
eps wrote: post #372

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Give BMW i4 a drive. It's excellent.

BMW is well known for their poor longevity with electrical systems. I wonder how this will play out in their EV lines, or if because they've removed the ICE related electronics and things such as engine bay heat if matters will improve.

Actually in the EV world BMW is known for the longevity of its batteries. BMW had EVs in the market already in 2013-2014, the BMW i3. And the reported degradation of those batteries has been minimal.

BMW is currently having all excellent EV cars, and that’s even with shared architecture with their ICE counterparts. Specially their electrical motors are above everyone else’s, due to the lack of permanent magnets, which allows for finer control of their power and instant disconnection. I am expecting to BMW to beat Tesla completely when they finally offer their dedicated EV platform in 2025-2026.

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Post by chrisbolt »

tuatoru wrote: post #505
kirse wrote: post #471

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I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. This was my recent experience. I was offered an EV car as a rental upgrade in a major city because the local rental place didn't have an EV charger. I figured what the hell because it was a relaxed holiday vacation. Turns out that was a hilariously bad idea. Ended up spending at least 5-6 hours of my week vacation trying to avoid t…

> ... trying to find chargers with the right plug, ones that aren't broken, ones that were available, downloading various apps, etc. Then when I did find a charger I sat in the parking lot waiting for it to juice up. These considerations are why I think we'll eventually move to battery swapping, when the market is mature enough to have standards for batteries. When there are as many battery swapping stations as there…

The market is mature enough to have standards for charging, but is nowhere near being mature for battery swaps. The charging problem will be solved long before battery swaps get close to being a thing, especially with the recent convergence on NACS.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

mdavidn wrote: post #382
lgkk wrote: post #358

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I used to have a '18 Model 3 Performance (P3D as they were called then) and I sold it after a little less than 3 years. 1. The interior quality was shit. By 10k miles everything was rattling and the quiet nature of the car meant even with bass thumping everything was just annoying af. 2. The car software felt like it got worse. I had bought FSD for $2k back in 2018. I thought it worked fine for that price. As it beca…

I holding onto my hybrid until the industry comes to its senses and realizes that PHEVs are the solution to electrifying daily commutes with sensibly sized batteries while simultaneously sidestepping range anxiety for long trips.

This is the true wisdom. However, the industry needed to realize this fact about 5 years after the Prius/Insight hit the market in 1997ish.

Now? You have a choice as a carmaker: invest 50 billion dollars into PHEVs which will be mere stepping stones to then having to invest ANOTHER 50 billion dollars into EVs, or you just bite the bullet now and do the 50 billion ICE-EV upgrade. Figures obviously arbitrary.

If our government was smart, it would have taken one look at the Prius/Insight, realized that every single commodity consumer vehicle should use that architecture (for the regen braking alone) and mandated it to be in all cars/trucks by 2010.

Oh well. It's too late now.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by dukeofdoom »

dcchambers wrote: post #453

Im bullish on EVs but I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. EVs are best for the types of driving we do on a day-to-day basis. Short commutes in areas we know well. Charge at home over night and 95% of the year you never worry about charging. Renting a car means I'm usually either driving long distances or im somewhere new and I don't know about the local charging infr…

I saw a funny picture of a guy that was driving with a gas power generator strapped to his Tesla (On Hitch Mount Cargo Carrier). Just curious how much he could extend his range. And if this would be a practical alternative.

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Post by umeshunni »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #427
umeshunni wrote: post #317

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I had a mostly great experience with Hertz Polestar in Switzerland. Easy to drive, did well on the road. The most painful part of the experience was attempting to charge it before returning it. Finding a compatible, working L3 charger was very difficult, even in Zurich and the experience of downloading an app to start the charging process was terrible. It of course, didn't accept my non-Swiss credit card and I had a…

Eh, you could just have used a Tesla Supercharger

Polestar 2s can't be charged at a supercharger, can they? At least they can't in the US.

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Post by bzzzt »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #515
dcchambers wrote: post #453

Im bullish on EVs but I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. EVs are best for the types of driving we do on a day-to-day basis. Short commutes in areas we know well. Charge at home over night and 95% of the year you never worry about charging. Renting a car means I'm usually either driving long distances or im somewhere new and I don't know about the local charging infr…

I saw a funny picture of a guy that was driving with a gas power generator strapped to his Tesla (On Hitch Mount Cargo Carrier). Just curious how much he could extend his range. And if this would be a practical alternative.

That’s called a hybrid with range extender.

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Post by pbourke »

fsckboy wrote: post #504
xwolfi wrote: post #500

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Yeah but petrol cars weren't serviced as well as now when they started (arguably with a much longer range per much faster "charge", maybe). EVs are probably going to be a good idea, it'll just take time. Imagine in 1995 saying emails will never replace sending around documents at the office, just because there wasn't any infra yet. Wait a bit, or even help !

today, i consider email to be a failure, Imagine saying that in 1995. I rarely get them or have a need to send them which amplifies the spam ratio. It annoys me to get and send pdfs in text messages, but that seems to be how the world works now.

> It annoys me to get and send pdfs in text messages, but that seems to be how the world works now.

Do you mean PDFs for correspondence such as bills or invoices? That is not common for me.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by kylebenzle »

tuatoru wrote: post #505
kirse wrote: post #471

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I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. This was my recent experience. I was offered an EV car as a rental upgrade in a major city because the local rental place didn't have an EV charger. I figured what the hell because it was a relaxed holiday vacation. Turns out that was a hilariously bad idea. Ended up spending at least 5-6 hours of my week vacation trying to avoid t…

> ... trying to find chargers with the right plug, ones that aren't broken, ones that were available, downloading various apps, etc. Then when I did find a charger I sat in the parking lot waiting for it to juice up. These considerations are why I think we'll eventually move to battery swapping, when the market is mature enough to have standards for batteries. When there are as many battery swapping stations as there…

I thought batteries being built into the frame was the direction things were going, right?

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Post by b112 »

chrisbolt wrote: post #513
tuatoru wrote: post #505

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> ... trying to find chargers with the right plug, ones that aren't broken, ones that were available, downloading various apps, etc. Then when I did find a charger I sat in the parking lot waiting for it to juice up. These considerations are why I think we'll eventually move to battery swapping, when the market is mature enough to have standards for batteries. When there are as many battery swapping stations as there…

The market is mature enough to have standards for charging, but is nowhere near being mature for battery swaps. The charging problem will be solved long before battery swaps get close to being a thing, especially with the recent convergence on NACS.

Which is why h2 is the answer. h2 that is shown to work, regardless of all the hyperbole and reckless claims battery fans make.
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