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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by gruez »

deelowe wrote: post #483
tadfisher wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would care because, presumably, you're deciding on a mode of transport to travel those miles. Otherwise, the measure is deaths per trip, which would prompt the conclusion that cars are thousands of times safer than air travel.

It doesn't work that way. When I fly, it's typically the only feasible option. I've never in my life sat down and calculated flying vs driving. It's more something like >400 miles, then fly, otherwise drive.

Sounds like actual risk matters little to you and you care far more about feelings of risk.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by mulmen »

theodric wrote: post #255
dist-epoch wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 737 is cursed. Not illogical to avoid it. There are plenty alternatives.

Point of order, because this is HN and I get to be pedantic here: the 737 Max is cursed; the 737 and 737NG are proven good by their long track record of reliability through thousands of units produced and in service

The 737NG has a known issue with the nacelles being insufficient to contain engine failures. This actually happened in 2018 and a woman was sucked out of the plane and died.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/faa-mandates-boeing-737ng...

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by I-Robot »

thegrim33 wrote: post #350

I'll preface this by saying I'm for sure not denying there's problems to be fixed with this plane. There for sure are. But man, people in threads like these seem so out of touch with reality. You know that you have an incomplete picture of reality right? You're on US-based websites and consume US-based media, both of which amplify every bad thing related to Boeing, but don't amplify the same types of issues for other…

Statistically speaking, Max 737s have many many millions of miles logged with no incident. They are, also, very popular with most pilots.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by mulmen »

nottorp wrote: post #279
davely wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2010, an Airbus A380 engine exploded. The fact that it landed safely was a miracle. [1] In 2017, an Airbus A380 lost an engine (literally, fell off the plane). [2] In 2018, a cockpit windshield blew out in an Airbus A319. [3] Don't get me wrong, the culture at Boeing has changed (for the worse). The 737 Max is not without issues. It's horrific that hundreds have died due to both ignorance and deception on behalf o…

But in all cases there was no subsequent news that inspection of all airbus planes proved most engines were bolted to the wing wrong... or that all the windshields were glued wrong. And this loose bolts thing shows up on a plane model where the "driving controls" were designed wrong. Note that no one is complaining about the other Boeing 737 models.

> Note that no one is complaining about the other Boeing 737 models.

But why not? The 737NG has a known issue that killed someone in 2018 and the fix isn’t even planned to be in place until 2028.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/faa-mandates-boeing-737ng...

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by scheme271 »

Sakos wrote: post #467
hentrep wrote: post #459

I booked a flight on United yesterday, well after this latest Boeing incident. After looking more carefully, they have me on a 737 MAX 9. I haven’t kept up with the latest, but I thought all of these planes were grounded. Am I missing something, or am I just setting myself up for a canceled flight next week?

Only planes with the type of door that failed on the Alaskan airlines flight are grounded.

I think most of the 737 max 9s have the door plug since it's only replaced with an actual door when in a high density configuration used by low cost carriers.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by rufus_foreman »

immibis wrote: post #417
Fischgericht wrote: post #410

I find it puzzling that airlines are still ordering this plane. It's not just us, the customers, who should "vote with their feet", but the airlines, too. I would not buy from a vendor that is not able to have a QA process that makes sure all screws and bolts are in place, fastened and secured. Even if it would not be an airplane where this is critical for safety, even if it would just be a toaster, I would stop buyi…

Remember that airlines are forced to make good financial decisions, or they'll go bankrupt. That means buying from the vendor all their pilots are trained on, and it means buying from the cheapest vendor, and it means buying from the vendor with the shortest lead time. They might not have much choice.

>> Remember that airlines are forced to make good financial decisions, or they'll go bankrupt.

List of airlines that have gone bankrupt, US only:

Aero Sun International

Aero Virgin Islands

Aeroamerica

Air Bahia

Air Canada

Air Kentucky

Air Midwest

Air Pennsylvania

Air South

Aloha Airlines (three times)

Altair Airlines

America West Airlines

American Airlines

American Trans Air (ATA)

Arrow Air

Astec Air East

ATA Airlines

Avianca

Big Sky

Braniff International

Cochise Airlines

Comair

Connectaire

Continental Airlines

Coral Air

Delta Air Lines

Direct Air

Dynamic International Airways

Eastern Airlines

Eastwind Airlines

Eos Airlines

Evergreen International Airlines

Excellair

Flash Airlines

Florida Airlines

Frontier Airlines (twice)

Gemini Air Cargo

Golden Gate Airlines

Independence Air

Indiana Airlines

Island Air (Hawaii)

L’Express

LANICA

LATAM Airlines Group

Maxjet Airways

Mesa Airlines

Mexicana

Miami Air

Midway Airlines (twice)

Mountain West Airlines-Idaho

National Airlines

National Florida Airlines

New York Airways

Northcoast Executive

Northwest Airlines

Oceanaire Lines

Pacific Coast Airlines

Pan American World Airways

Partnair

PenAir

Pinehurst Airlines

Pinnacle Airlines

Primaris Airlines

Princeton Air Link

Ravn Alaska

Republic Airways Holding

Ryan International Airlines

SeaPort Airlines

Silver State Airlines

Skybus Airlines

Southeast Airlines

Southern Air

Sun Country Airlines (three times)

Swift Aire Lines

Tejas Airlines

Trans World Airlines

TransMeridian Airlines

United Airlines

US Airways (twice)

Will's Air

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_bankruptcies_i...

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by alistairSH »

chrisbolt wrote: post #503
alistairSH wrote: post #318

Where is the data sourced for this checker? I just tested two upcoming flights (UA2021 and UA2022), both of which are currently (as in, today) flown on 737-900. UA2021 shows as "Not a Max" and UA2022 shows as "Is a Max". Yes, I fully realize Unided will swap these around as needed. Just curious where one would even find the "scheduled" airframe?

> Just curious where one would even find the "scheduled" airframe? The aircraft column: https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2021 https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2022 B39M is a 737 MAX 9, B38M is a 737 MAX 8, B739 is a 737-900, etc.

That’s my point… the “Is my plane…” site doesn’t match what I’m seeing on FlightAware.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by panick21_ »

crazytony wrote: post #464
dawnerd wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What choice do they have? If they switch to Airbus they’re going to be waiting until at least 2030. They could buy used but that’s goes against why airlines are ordering new planes to begin with. And that’s not factoring in the maintenance cost in switching manufacturers. Thats why you’ll see airlines be a Boeing or Airbus only fleet.

The counter point to operating one type is on display here: if the regulator grounds the type, your whole airline is stuck. The only thing that eliminates/highlights issues is time. The 320 and 220 are faced with major engine issues and groundings due to looks at notes not QAing the metal powder used in the sintering process for over 8 years.

There have been basically no engine development program ever that had no reliability issues. The big problem is the maintenance backlog. The A320 NEO btw has more then 1 engine option.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by panick21_ »

xahrepap wrote: post #34
alpb wrote: post #26

Are you less safe on a 737 MAX than driving to the airport in a car? Genuinely curious, I’m trying to understand if this whole saga is statistically significant.

I've heard a lot of people say this in these comment threads, and I think this glosses over the actual issue: safety is getting worse, not better or even staying the same. So it's MORE statistically significant than it was. The trend is heading the wrong way. Air safety going down is a trend you want to stop ASAP. Not wait around until it's just as dangerous as something else like driving your car.

Safety in road transportation has gotten a lot worse. Specially if you don't surround yourself we a new high tech 2-tons of steel.

Being fucking murder by a car when walking is way more dangerous.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by fnimick »

calf wrote: post #461
spacemark wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All valid points, but I wonder if you've overshot your response to this (very slight) increase of risk to your personal safety. The statistical safety of aviation is the best it has ever been - 2023 set yet another record low for commercial aviation deaths and injuries. Your automobile trip to the grocery store is far riskier.

Other people don't just care about themselves, they care that 400 people might randomly die in the future for no valid reason. It's a sophisticated form of empathy, not everyone growing up learns it.

Now do car-centric infrastructure that kills 50k people per year.
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