IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

Post by nemo44x » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 1:34 PM UTC

hotpotamus wrote: post #502

nemo44x wrote: post #360

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You’re not including all the taxes that need to be paid and that employment bonds are far more difficult to break. But yeah, EU engineers are very good in my experience.

In the US there are also taxes and a huge expense in the form of private health insurance - my employer says costs increased 9% this year. I don’t know that it balances, but there are additional costs to employers in the US as well.

Post by notherhacker » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 2:08 PM UTC

wizerdrobe wrote: post #501

justinzollars wrote: post #269

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I was on a 24 hour on call for months, a two man team, managing Chick-fil-A's Doordash, UberEats and GH Go integrations for thousands of stores. It was literally insane. I survived this recession - but I was way way way overworked. The balance has definitely tipped towards the employer.

Sorry to hear that! I had some clowns reach out to me for the same job it sounds like, promising that I could absolutely move up to employment with Chic-fil-a after my contract was up… As if I haven’t heard that story before.

Post by myaccountonhn » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 2:29 PM UTC

wizerdrobe wrote: post #506

iamflimflam1 wrote: post #470

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> but the quality is nearly the same. Productivity is a bit lower Slightly insulting to European developers? Though I suspect a lot of European developers would say the same about their US colleagues…

Don’t Europeans typically work less hours than Americans and do so as a point of pride? I’ve spent over a decade lurking HN, Stack Exchange, later Reddit - and I always seem to see Europeans coming in with the “We work 32 hours at most in my country” or “We have a 35 hour standard here.” Wouldn’t that necessarily imply a reduction in productivity?

Post by marcus0x62 » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 2:43 PM UTC

bruce511 wrote: post #430

wyclif wrote: post #377

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just as productively remotely ...with the same staff and teams, that's the important qualifier. Nobody thinks they're going to get the same quality team by body shopping their hiring funnel.

The problem with this argument is that it implies "you're special". And you likely have experience, domain knowledge, product knowledge, customer knowledge and so on, so I'd argue you Are special. But then you leave, and need to be replaced. Since I'm hiring from a pool where no-one has this special, I may as well hire from overseas. Its cheaper. Equally, when you work remotely your special is invisible. The way you…

Post by Bluescreenbuddy » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 2:51 PM UTC

orochimaaru wrote: post #36

deathpanels wrote: post #25

Everyone is talking about layoffs and lack of hiring, but I've found the problem to be that companies are cutting costs by silently increasing workload on existing employees. Everyone is getting burnt out trying to keep a 300-person engineering team running on only 100 head count. That leads to more incidents, slower delivery, less innovation, longer hours. Even those who are still employed are seeing working conditi…

I think a lot of big-co are setting up subsidiaries overseas and hiring there. It's different from the contract based offshoring model that happened in 2007 or so which had rather disastrous results. I know my company has and plans to have almost 1/2 its IT workforce as direct employees overseas.