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JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

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Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

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Line up and wait (meaning, on the runway, prior to actual takeoff clearance) is very common during busy periods. This is in America.

I've never seen planes line up and wait on the runway since there is only supposed to be one on there at any time.

Maybe not with big airliners. It's common for small planes to be told to line up and wait while the current aircraft (also usually another small aircraft) is in the midst of taking off.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

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And yet in US it's also standard practice to have airplanes takeoff on the same runway at the same time if the preceding airplane is small enough to not create vortices. Note how no one did anything wrong really in this case: https://simpleflying.com/march-2020-air-canada-incident/

You can build a system that accounts for this.

>runway incursion monitoring and alert system had failed to detect the danger as it had detected that both aircraft were in the air despite still being on the ground.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

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You can build a system that accounts for this.

>runway incursion monitoring and alert system had failed to detect the danger as it had detected that both aircraft were in the air despite still being on the ground.

Yea, seems like the system isn’t very good since it’s not actually connected to the vehicles.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

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Mercedes just released a level 3 car. Openpilot, while primarily lane keeping, does it way better than any human can. Driving doesn’t require an advanced degree in physics. It’s mostly a mish mash of fairly mundane tasks.

> Driving doesn’t require an advanced degree in physics. It’s mostly a mish mash of fairly mundane tasks. Generally not wrong, but when it becomes non-mundane, it can become so in a hurry. This is why I'm sometimes skeptical about statistics that say " x% of airplane crashes are human error ". Well maybe, but by the time the humans get involved the automated systems have often thrown up their proverbial hands and dig…

I definitely get numbed by the monotony even when manually driving. At the very least Openpilot beeps at me loudly if it detects I've fallen asleep.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

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Mercedes just released a level 3 car. Openpilot, while primarily lane keeping, does it way better than any human can. Driving doesn’t require an advanced degree in physics. It’s mostly a mish mash of fairly mundane tasks.

I'm willing to believe that computers are better at lane keeping than humans are. That's not the only scenario, though: Unfortunately, driving can go from lane keeping to making a life-or-death decision in a second, and that's not enough time for a human hand-off. A plane's autopilot can beep and bail out to a human with a few seconds for them to get oriented and take over; a car doesn't always have that luxury. "Is…

We're already at a point where computer vision models are vastly superior than any human at detecting objects.
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