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Post by rswail »

cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Use MacPorts instead.

I run:

$ sudo bash

# port selfupdate && port -u -c upgrade outdated && port reclaim

once a week.

When I upgraded to Ventura (from Big Sur), I followed the instructions for an OS upgrade and everything moved across cleanly.

It installs itself in /opt

It works with MacOS's Frameworks for stuff like python and java.

It allows you to run multiple versions with "port select".

Why would I want to run anything else?

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Post by Klonoar »

egypturnash wrote: post #181
spicybright wrote: post #16

FINALLY we've come full circle and can have widgets on the desktop again! It's not like a revolutionary killer feature for me, but I just always preferred having information always in my "peripheral" instead of having to actively check a separate menu.

god yes I miss Dashboard so much, it'll be absolutely hilarious if old Dashboard widgets turn out to work on the new widget thing.

Old dashboard was HTML/CSS/JS before people started making them into the de facto UI system for desktop.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by adastra22 »

WA wrote: post #499
adastra22 wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how Jaguar is pronounced in American English.

Is it? I browsed a bunch of YouTube videos this way and no one said it like jagwire: https://youglish.com/pronounce/jaguar/english/us ?

It may be regional, but I was born and raised in Silicon Valley / SF South Bay, like Steve Jobs, and my parents and teachers all said "jagwire." I don't pronounce it that way myself anymore, but that's because if I say it I'm often talking about the car brand, and I know the brits pronounce it differently so I do the same.

Do some google search for "jagwire" and you'll find tons of results about Americans pronouncing it that way.

EDIT: The word comes from a Native American language via Portuguese. I'm not sure about the indigenous phonetics, but the Portuguese pronunciation is closer to "jagwire" than the British pronunciation.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by MilaM »

musicale wrote: post #324
oxonia wrote: post #208

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Yes, the Homebrew message does seem unnecessarily hostile. Not everyone can afford to buy a brand new computer every year.

I wish there were a macOS (and Homebrew) "extended support" edition with security patches for 10 years rather than 7. Old Macs are often perfectly usable in terms of hardware, but macOS security updates have left them behind. As of today, it's likely that the 2016 Mac I'm writing this on (which can run Monterey but not Ventura or Sonoma) is out of support. Of course the Mac apocalypse will be when x86 support is drop…

Completely agree. I have two perfectly good but now unsupported 5K iMacs from 2015 and 2017 in my household, both don't get any more upgrades. Heck, I would even pay up to 100 EUR/USD for longer support. But that's probably not a viable business case for Apple anymore.

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Post by adastra22 »

pxc wrote: post #472
adastra22 wrote: post #423

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That's how Jaguar is pronounced in American English.

I've never heard someone pronounce it that way in my life until I saw the video. Maybe it's a regional thing, but it sounds like the wrong vowel sound at the end to me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fsseq2/comment/f...

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Post by mrmattyboy »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #490
mrmattyboy wrote: post #475

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I do wonder the longevity of alphabet-based naming... It _sort of_ reminds me of a time I spoke to a colleague and said I wanted to try a project (only a couple of years ago) that required Red Hat Linux 5 and he said "oh sure, here's some CDs" and realised, "nope, not RHEL" (to which the response was.. "oh, here be dragons").. If you loop the alphabet and I reckon you'll inevitably get confusion. "Hey, Android Junipe…

> If you loop the alphabet and I reckon you'll inevitably get confusion. These releases tend to be yearly or half-yearly at most (e.g. android or ubuntu). So a wrap around happens after 13 years at the earliest. Having a 13 year old completely un-upgraded phone (or AR brain worm or whatever we will have in 13 years) wrapping around seems quite unlikely to cause any surprise. If you have weekly releases or something,…

Yep - I agree - I guess just more generally, for example chrome releases ;)

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by rahoulb »

emmelaich wrote: post #361
akerl_ wrote: post #285

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MacOS versions have a number, which counts up, the same as iOS and WatchOS. "Sonoma" is a cutesy name for "MacOS 14", the same way that "Jammy Jellyfish" is the cutesy name for Ubuntu 22.04. The version number is shown in the About This Mac page, which is the top menu item in the Apple menu at all times.

At least Ubuntu's names are alphabetical. Off the top of my head I couldn't tell which was later out of Big Sur, Ventura, Monterey ...

I constantly get Mojave and Monterey mixed up.

And I'm completely lost with Debian releases.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pyr0hu »

Toutouxc wrote: post #492
pyr0hu wrote: post #113

Nice, time for the yearly reinstall. I usually reinstall my MacBook whenever the new OS releases, it keeps my machine clean and fast.

I’ve never reinstalled a Mac. I literally don’t know how to do that. I’ve upgraded my M1 Air to Sonoma yesterday and everything seems to be working, just as it did on Big Sur, Monterey and Ventura. My girlfriend still uses my 2013 MacBook upgraded all the way from Mavericks to Big Sur, and used as a dev machine most of that time, without an issue.

I didn't say that everyone should do it. I only started this about 3-4 years ago, and it was always working before that. I just like having a clean OS.

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Post by jawngee »

chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

You can install Safari separately.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pchangr »

vaughan wrote: post #495
pchangr wrote: post #435

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Do you have a link or something ? I couldn’t really find where you’d do that

https://webkit.org/running-webkit/

Ohhhhh…. I was looking in the Safari documentation. Thank you! Didn’t know about this!
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