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Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by cpursley »

flohofwoe wrote: post #508
cpursley wrote: post #505

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Healthy numbers. If people aren’t buying VW vehicles because the prices are higher than Hyundai due to the energy situation, that’s not good. Germany is deindustrializing as we speak (chemicals, auto and auto related, etc). Once you deindustrialize past a certain threshold, it’s very difficult to come back.

VW just claimed the top spot from Tesla for electric car sales in Germany: https://www.dw.com/en/vw-electric-cars-tesla-germany/a-66468... https://insideevs.com/news/681020/volkswagen-outsells-tesla-... Hyundai is currently at sixth place behind VW, Tesla, MB, BMW and Audi: https://insideevs.com/news/677504/germany-allelectric-car-sa... In 2022 Tesla was at the top, VW second and Hyundai third, so Hyunday actually se…

Those are domestic numbers, I'm talking about the competitiveness of Germany on the _international_ market - that's what matters. It's hard to be competitive when your energy costs are high.

Regarding deindustrialization:

- https://www.economist.com/business/2022/09/11/germany-faces-...

- https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2023/01/06/transit...

- https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-industry-europe-ener...

- https://www.politico.eu/article/rust-belt-on-the-rhine-the-d...

- https://unherd.com/thepost/recession-in-germany-is-a-sign-of...

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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coliveira wrote: post #495
pelorat wrote: post #469

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Only logical if you accept the CCP as a legitimate government, which barely any politician in Europe, the USA and the rest of the west does (privately).

Not only CPC is a legitimate government, but it is effectively supported by the West. Do you mean that practically all governments of the world have agreements and deals with an illegitimate entity? They would be otherwise collectively gilt of making ilegal dealings.

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Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by xp84 »

coliveira wrote: post #495
pelorat wrote: post #469

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Only logical if you accept the CCP as a legitimate government, which barely any politician in Europe, the USA and the rest of the west does (privately).

Not only CPC is a legitimate government, but it is effectively supported by the West. Do you mean that practically all governments of the world have agreements and deals with an illegitimate entity? They would be otherwise collectively gilt of making ilegal dealings.

Deals are made out of practicality. For instance the US did deals with Osama Bin Laden once upon a time. Doesn’t mean anyone wants them taking over a country that has a democracy. If ROC wanted to join China, let them vote to elect the CPC, eh?

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Post by djur »

cpursley wrote: post #474
djur wrote: post #379

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Depleted uranium is not a nuclear weapon.

Tell that to the non-combat victims: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7903104/#:~:tex... .

You're free to argue that DU rounds are effectively a poisonous weapon and should be banned on those grounds. I would agree. That doesn't change the fact that depleted uranium is not a nuclear weapon.

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Post by Aerbil313 »

Herring wrote: post #324
flo123456 wrote: post #251

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Still living here I must point out that you are pointing an equally one sided picture. While all of what you say is true and problematic, there are people from all over the world living in Dresden and some parts (especially Neustadt) are politically rather left leaning.

That's not how it works. There can be a lot of good people, but all you need is one in-your-face racist encounter to ruin your decade. It's like how even a rumor of a shark will keep you firmly on the beach.

Indeed. One single racist encounter of mine ruined my past 2 decades. I can’t help but think about it all the time till this day. It’s honestly wondrous how a simple insult of 2 words could destabilize my mental health and even pushed me over the tide to harming myself seriously once, thankfully I was rushed to the hospital fast. I’m still getting nightmares every other day, the blurry face of that stranger waking me up in cold sweats (I couldn’t properly see her because it was night). I even got recently diagnosed with terminal cancer due to chronic stress, and my obesity didn’t get any better since the incident. All because some random stranger shouted me 2 random words at some random hour of the night on some random street.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by P_I_Staker »

flohofwoe wrote: post #507
P_I_Staker wrote: post #503

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This could use some more explanation. Why do west germans have a negative opinion of east germans?... I vowed never to return to berlin, hated it, so I'm interested in the reasons. What does HN think of the scene in germany? I've never heard this.

Just look around in the comments here, you'll find plenty of stereotyping. One thing is important though: Berlin is neither East nor West (never has been after WW2), it's entirely it's own thing culture wise. Your experience in Berlin won't really tell you anything about the rest of Germany.

Yes and no. I'd say munich was a bit different, and better, but also quite a bit of the same BS.

Berlin seemed to be trying really hard to be an "elite city", like NYC, including many of the same assholes.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by petre »

flohofwoe wrote: post #482
timeon wrote: post #466

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It is about Fab that is not in native Anglosphere. Some bias is expected on Anglosphere site even if the news is not about something ground-breaking.

It's also all coming together: it's about Germany, which a lot of Europeans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), then it's about East Germany which a lot of West Germans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), and finally it's also about the EU's / Germany's governing model which most startup-scene-hipsters on HN don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly). There's hardly a topic…

Who cares about positive opinions from other people who feel entitled? Obviously TSMC , Bosch, Infineon, NXP management does not. It makes sense. Put it in Germany because it's a stable country (unlike Hungary due to Orban and Poland, Romania or Bulgaria due to the war plus other political factors like right wing hardliners or corruption), put it in Dresden because of cheaper workforce, higher unemployment and also fund it with EU subsidies.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by t43562 »

coliveira wrote: post #496
t43562 wrote: post #432

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Steal from Taiwan. And once you control a resource you can control access to it based on who pleases you the most.

So is the US stealing from Texas, Alaska, or Hawaii?

Oh, I see, you're trying to excuse the Chinese for being arseholes now because someone else did something in the past. It's irrelevant because it's not in the interests of the rest of the world for Taiwan to be gobbled up.

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Post by t43562 »

cpursley wrote: post #511
flohofwoe wrote: post #508

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VW just claimed the top spot from Tesla for electric car sales in Germany: https://www.dw.com/en/vw-electric-cars-tesla-germany/a-66468... https://insideevs.com/news/681020/volkswagen-outsells-tesla-... Hyundai is currently at sixth place behind VW, Tesla, MB, BMW and Audi: https://insideevs.com/news/677504/germany-allelectric-car-sa... In 2022 Tesla was at the top, VW second and Hyundai third, so Hyunday actually se…

Those are domestic numbers, I'm talking about the competitiveness of Germany on the _international_ market - that's what matters. It's hard to be competitive when your energy costs are high. Regarding deindustrialization: - https://www.economist.com/business/2022/09/11/germany-faces-... - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2023/01/06/transit... - https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-industry-europe-ener...…

A lot of those articles talk about Russian gas - a perfect reason to go for renewables harder and spend more - it's an investment in the future.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by fsw »

hbarka wrote: post #436

Genuinely curious how these events fall in place. I'd like to know how long a selection process like this takes, were there other cities in the running, and how did Dresden become the choice. Is the best similarity with how car companies like VW and Honda choose cities in the US?

Dresden is kind of a semiconductor hotspot in Germany. AMD and Infineon have factories there for example which also attracted suppliers and related technology to the area.
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