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Re: FedNow Is Live

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What is the Kiwi Farms?

A discussion forum similar to, say, Something Awful (or indeed HN), with a focus on mocking online misbehaviour and a reputation for unpopular political views.

“Mocking online misbehavior” is pretty generous.

Re: FedNow Is Live

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That already exists today, food stamps/SNAP/EBT for low income and dollars for everyone else I'd just as soon give everyone dollars via UBI

Your employer doesn't pay you in food stamps, they pay you in money you can use to buy anything you need in the entire world. The government provides coupons that allow you to buy food which is remediated to the seller in dollars. The authority and funding to provide that service is something that voters can impact or change. These are very different things, not "that already exists" at all.

> they pay you in money you can use to buy anything you need in the entire world.

This is an primarily American phenomenon though and it's only really true because of the dominance of the US and US petrodollars over global society. It's probably not easy to spend Turkish lira in Madagascar, for example. Yes there are banks which will exchange approved currencies, but that's one step removed from being paid in a global global currency as you imply.

Re: FedNow Is Live

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...but with days of delay, where someone else is keeping the interest. And maybe charging a transaction fee.

> ...but with days of delay Maybe a long time ago, but I get my pay which is supposed to be on the 1st and 15th on like the 13th and 29th or something. Getting paid "two days early" is a pretty common feature with Direct Deposit these days. It is always credited to my account before my actual paycheck technically gets posed. > maybe charging a transaction fee I imagine someone would be paying for the transaction of p…

Getting paid early is essentially an automatic "Payday loan" provided by whoever you bank with (whatever institution receives your payhecks) as a perk of banking with them. I personally decline this service, because I don't like adding a paycheck-sized liability to my accounting books for two days.

My bank seems to trust my paycheck deposits, though, and they "clear" (update my balance and become spendable) under 24hrs after they show up as "pending."

Re: FedNow Is Live

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Can I transfer money now to entities that are not Visa/Mastercard-linked? e.g. weed stores?

Cannabis businesses are still kept at arm's length from banking due to federal law:

https://www.aba.com/advocacy/our-issues/cannabis

It looks like a recent proposal to fix this (the SAFE act) is politically stalled:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/14/weed-banking-safe-b...

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Isn't it the case that you still have to have a relationship with a bank to have an account to transfer into or out of via FedNow in the first place? In that case I don't think this would change the picture at all. It's not the intention to help the unbanked pariahs, that's for sure.

There are still almost 5k banks in the US. Unlike Zelle, if this opens to all of them, all you need is one bank.

I presume the system uses bank account and routing numbers? So besides concerns with sharing that information with the public, concerned citizens will figure out who they bank with, and will most likely be able to easily pressure the bank to drop them.

Certain things should be difficult to accomplish in a functional society anyways, and administering a profitable hate group is one of those things. If not bankrupted by their lack of credit card access, they'll eventually run into legal troubles from the damage they cause to innocent people.

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It will be interesting to see how this affects "toxic," deplatformed, and to some degree debanked (at least from PayPal and CC processors) entities, like the KiwiFarms. While this page is somewhat vague about the private/public status of the Fed: https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm it seems pretty well established that federally chartered corporations, like the USPS and Amtrak (e.g., https://en.wikipe…

I think KiwiFarms is a cesspool and I think Null in particular is an extremely crappy human, but despite that I disagreed with the credit card processors pulling them, because they really did have a near-monopoly for online payments, meaning that this could be considered stifling of free speech. However, I think I'll have less of an issue for it if there's the government-backed means in which to send them money; at t…

This is a dramatic whitewashing of KiwiFarms. KiwiFarms was not deplatformed for wrongthink or because people disagreed with their ideas. They were deplatformed for coordinating harassment campaigns that resulted in at least three confirmed suicides. That is not protected speech.

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I don't understand why FedNow and CBDC are such a big issue in the US. FedNow looks quite attractive from a fees perspective, especially when compared to PayPal and alike. Part of me wonders if the middlemen who stand to lose out might be trying to muddy the waters. It wouldn't be the first time.

Two points of context: * the Biden administration is planning to monitor smaller denomination transactions (in an inflationary environment!) * IRS resources historically and presently target low-income, low-wealth households/individuals for audits https://www.cnbc.com/select/irs-600-reporting-rule-delayed/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/irs-audit-eitc-five-times-as-li...

> IRS resources historically and presently target low-income, low-wealth households/individuals for audits

If we could actually increase their funding substantially, this would be less true, but it's difficult and expensive to go after wealthy individuals.

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Thanks for posting this excellent example of why you shouldn’t use ChatGPT to summarize documents. Page 4 of the PDF has an understandable diagram and list of steps, and this doesn’t match it.

Re: FedNow Is Live

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Is the eventual end-game that I can send money from my account at Bank A, to a friend's account at Bank B to split a check at dinner without using a third party like Venmo?

Yes, that is absolutely a use case. Similar to Venmo, there is also a Request for Payment (RFP) mechanism. I'm on the Request for Payment (RFP) Work Group that is composed of a number of financial institutions, service providers, and billers. Netflix is part of the RFP Work Group. So presumably they are interested in offering consumers the ability to pay for Netflix using FedNow instead of a credit card. Instead of N…

> So presumably they are interested in offering consumers the ability to pay for Netflix using FedNow instead of a credit card.

I do wonder how stuff like this will shake out. I will use a credit card, always, with any vendor that doesn't pass along credit card fees to the customer in some way. (Why would I choose otherwise? The credit card gives me rewards, and better fraud protection.)

But more and more, I see companies charging "convenience fees" for credit card usage or offering "discounts" for cash/debit. Hell, T-Mobile just started requiring you not use a credit card to get their $5/mo autopay discount.

So this is all cool (and perhaps would make it easier for people who don't have a credit card to pay for Netflix), but I don't see why I'd use anything but a credit card to pay for my Netflix subscription, unless they offer discounts for using FedNow. Which... they probably won't?

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