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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by notJim »

prawn wrote: post #232
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This was a reported rumour prior to the reveal yesterday: no significant use case. This is a significant departure from Apple's usual MO: find a USP and NAIL the implementation. They're using a scattergun approach here and it's risky. They better be sending these headsets free of charge to thousands of studios in the hopes that some of them develop THE killer app, because this is the only way I see this succeeding. E…

Anyone who flies a lot will be able to use it as advertised now for entertainment and work. And this is WWDC. They’re getting this in front of developers to build the first third-party apps. Years ago, we applied to get Apple TVs for $1 and then came up with an app to launch on it. If you’re early, you have limited competition and can rank in the charts relatively easily (obviously at the risk of fighting over a smal…

With a two hour battery life? I don't see it.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by greedo »

mrguyorama wrote: post #482
theodric wrote: post #122

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Yeah I can't wait to spend €11000 so my family can strap a screen to each of our faces and watch movies like that rather than staring at a dumb old TV like some kinda poor people

Movie addicts have $10k 8k 100 inch TVs and thousand dollar Dolby Atmos surround systems. Which is exactly why they will not buy one of these. It would literally be a downgrade. Movie lovers have better than non-IMAX quality setups.

I have a great home theater that I love to use. But there are lots of times when it'd be nice to have a similar experience while in bed or traveling.

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Post by [deleted] »

minton wrote: post #432
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>>. am i REALLY that old? am i taking crazy pills? What you are, is snarky. The only times Apple ever did this in the past, the product flopped because it was too expensive. Maybe other companies have been leading with expensive tech waiting for the market to catch up, but Apple hasn't - not since the Lisa anyway. And yes I am on old fogey - ol enough to remember that the industry has been waiting for consumers to "c…

This reminds me of a typical comment during the first Apple Watch release. - “Too expensive” - “Who is this for?!” - “my $20 watch has 20x battery life” - ”This will obviously flop because no one I know wants to strap a screen to their wrist and carry it around all day” - ...and on and on. I don’t have a guess as to whether this will flop or succeed, but I’m always amazed at how people are willing to announce publicl…

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by andrewstuart »

andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

To be clear, for Apple, I would consider the Apple Watch a flop.

Sure the product exists and people buy them, but it's no earth shaker - in contrast, a success for Apple is iPad, iPhone, Macintosh - products that if you ask some random person in an affluent country, there's a pretty good chance they own one, two three or more of these products.

The Apple VR headset will not be a flop in the sense that Apple probably won't kill the product, but it also won't be any huge success by the measures above. It will at best be a niche, which is a flop for Apple.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by bsder »

p_l wrote: post #395
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The Lisa and the Mac were very expensive for their day--probably at the same level as this. The difference was that the Mac shipped with WYSIWYG editing software (MacWrite and MacPaint) that was so obviously better than anything on the IBM that it was a no brainer. People wanted them very much, but most of us simply couldn't afford them. In addition, desktop publishing was a stupidly obvious killer app on the Macinto…

I find $2495 of original Macintosh to be pretty cheap compared to $16k or more of other graphical workstations at the time.

That may be true, but my family only had my father working as a teacher. He got paid absolute crap for a very long time.

Even a $400 computer was a huge stretch for them. It was possibly the absolute best purchase they ever made for me as it sent me down the tech path, but they thought VERY long and hard about it.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by happymellon »

elcritch wrote: post #506
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Indeed, so you have a worse experience, I still think that they could have the avatars for other devices so that folks can use them if they have their camera off it would be nice. Whereas with an iPad I can use it as a second display with my Mac anyway and put the chat on it. It might be better, but it doesn't sound to me to be quite the slam dunk that it sounds like to you. I am happy to be proved wrong though so I'…

With digital avatars you can fix the gaze offset issues. It's oddly draining doing zoom or meets where you can't make mutual eye contact. If you look at the camera you cant see their eyes, and vice versa. If the digital avatar is as good as it looks, it could resolve that and make teleconferencing less exhausting. Not to mention worry less if you're having a bad hair day. ;)

I guess my point was that digital avatars are being bundled with AR/VR but they dont have a lot to do with it. What you are describing happens today without VR, so having these avatars from or to my iPad would be a benefit.

I don't see what the headset brings to the table other than forcing people to fix existing issues.

The experience is worse because the VR now introduces avatars so I can pretend to pay attention whilst doing coding, whereas if it was on my iPad I could do coding, unload the washing machine, etc. It is restrictive.

Also fixing the eye focus is already a thing for streamers and ML video correction.

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Post by opportune »

mrguyorama wrote: post #467
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What's strange to me is that they roll out Hideo Kojima to talk about some gaming thing for the Mac OS, yet when it came to the headset all they can give is some creepy demos of a fathers wearing this thing while their kinds play at home. Could they really not have given some units to some game devs and tell them to come up with some cool ideas? This thing just feels incredibly rushed. It's like Apple felt left out o…

Except, video game developers have had like ten years to figure out a VR "killer app" game. Even Valve failed. VR just isn't a significant enough increase in experience for the vast vast VAST majority of games to justify the annoyance of having a mask on, let alone the price. If you are super into simulators, then you have some incredible options, but otherwise it's just a bunch of beat saber clones and mediocre shoo…

It’s not that they can’t figure it out I think, it’s that it’s too hard and too limited of a market to justify the expense to build anything cool.

Given enough time and adoption I believe it will happen

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Post by felixg3 »

dosethree wrote: post #490
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It’s worth remembering the original iPhone did not have GPS at all. It had google maps for calling up information like you would with map quest, but no turn by turn/live navigation

It had basic geolocation feature though so you could mostly see where you were on a map which was still very useful compared to flip phones

Cellular triangulation worked really well on the classic iPhone - if you were in a very crowded place. In more rural areas, you could be off by many kilometers. I’m not sure if they had Wi-Fi SSID location back then.

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Post by felixg3 »

matt-attack wrote: post #462
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I didn’t get one until the 3G came out, but I have a very clear memory of the “wow!” feeling: right after buying the phone, I went down the street to a coffee shop and started browsing the web while waiting in line. I was instantly cured of my prior skepticism that it could actually be a major improvement over my flip phone + iPod.

Yep I actually remember standing on the sidewalk on my lunch break outside of a cafe, and I pulled up the Reddit website. It sounds so incredibly unrelatable in 2023, but you have to put yourself in that time. Web browsing was just something you did at work, or at home. Period. Visiting that website while on the sidewalk was really one of the major game-changers in my life.

In Spring 2008 I got my first iPhone as a hand me down from my brother. He didn’t like it at all, since iPhone OS 1 was very limited and went back to Windows Mobile. However, I became a very spoiled kid with access to Wikipedia at the age of 14 in a classroom, at least 3 years before smartphones became mainstream. It most certainly didn‘t improve my character to have such an expensive phone at that age.

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Post by felixg3 »

perardi wrote: post #368
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The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

As people below have pointed out, arguable it was crappy. Sure, lacked 3G, lacked apps, but the utter ease of connecting to wifi and flicking through Safari… …anyways, arguable. What’s inarguable is that the iPhone 4, which came along only 3 years later, was a damned miracle. Beautiful design, Retina screen, something approaching a “real” camera—just remarkable progress in that time. I’m unsure if Apple is going to b…

The lack of 3G was barely an issue back then, I used my iPhone on the go with text messengers and web browsing without too many issues. Edge/2G+ wasn’t too horrible, since the web was so much lighter back then (especially since flash didn’t load).
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