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Post by gymbeaux »

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I use Linux (usually Ubuntu or a derivative), macOS and Windows 11 regularly. To me they all “suck”. They all have shortcomings, and my constant switching between them only proves that there isn’t a clear winner. I can think of at least two “dumb” things with each that are easy to address but for whatever reason…. Aren’t. I will say desktop Linux has been the worst experience for me, and it’s been that way since 2010…

>will say desktop Linux has been the worst experience Im surprised by this take, Ubuntu derivatives have had major improvements in the past decade. What is the worst thing youve run into?

Keep in mind, it's the worst experience compared to macOS and Windows. The issues are usually display/GUI-related. HiDPI scaling is still buggy regardless of distro/DE. As recently as the past month I have experienced UI scaling issues on KDE and Unity, so most windows are scaling correctly, but occasionally windows will open at the default scaling, and it's built-in apps like Dolphin file manager. Spotify always requires a config file change to get scaling to work. Seems like an easy fix on their end but whatever. GNOME is the least-buggy DE I have tried, but it's also relatively simple.

Worst thing I have run into in the last couple of months would probably be display flickering/artifacts with my NVidia RTX 3060 running Fedora 38 Workstation.

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Post by gymbeaux »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #356
gymbeaux wrote: post #353

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I use Linux (usually Ubuntu or a derivative), macOS and Windows 11 regularly. To me they all “suck”. They all have shortcomings, and my constant switching between them only proves that there isn’t a clear winner. I can think of at least two “dumb” things with each that are easy to address but for whatever reason…. Aren’t. I will say desktop Linux has been the worst experience for me, and it’s been that way since 2010…

Know your classics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRvc2UMeMI

Ha I've never seen this. Excellent.

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Post by gymbeaux »

wslh wrote: post #397
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I use Linux (usually Ubuntu or a derivative), macOS and Windows 11 regularly. To me they all “suck”. They all have shortcomings, and my constant switching between them only proves that there isn’t a clear winner. I can think of at least two “dumb” things with each that are easy to address but for whatever reason…. Aren’t. I will say desktop Linux has been the worst experience for me, and it’s been that way since 2010…

It would be great if you can elaborate how you favorite OS would be.

My qualms with: Windows: - Still relatively-susceptible to malware (these days ransomware is the main concern). - Windows 10 and 11 have ads and lots of tracking ("if it's free, you're the product!"). - It likes to restart to install updates without my permission. Always get bitten by running VMs on a Windows computer (excluding Windows Server of course). macOS: - Doesn't support DisplayPort daisy-chaining at all. - Expect UI bugs starting with OS X 10.10 Yosemite when they started rewriting Objective-C code in Swift. - "most advanced operating system in the world" but can't adjust volume of speakers on external displays (brightness too). - No NVIDIA support, which means no CUDA support, so anyone who needs CUDA will be SSH'ing into a Linux box with an NVIDIA GPU attached to it. Almost forgot! macOS does not support display scaling AT ALL on 1440p monitors. They used to, when their displays were literally 1440p, but now it’s 4K or bust. You used to be able to mod a conf to enable it anyway, but that only works with Intel based Macs. Linux: - Probably my most-frustrating point is that "everyone" talks about how "rock-solid" and great their Linux experience is when that has NEVER been the case for me in 13 years of regularly using desktop and server linux distros. - Proton makes running Windows/DirectX games on Linux a breeze, and I do agree. It's a step in the right direction and it looks like many games "just work"... of course the one game I play (Dead By Daylight) doesn't work... although this seems to be on the developer of the game, rather than Proton or Linux. - Font smoothing. Last I read, you have to do a bunch of things to get basic font-smoothing (e.g. ClearType on Windows). Less of an issue now that I have a 4K display, but I am surprised the big DEs like GNOME and KDE never seemed to integrate it. Maybe I am missing something with how difficult it might be? - Random stupid stuff. Lately it's that Debian and Debian-based distros are packaging Python packages that do not follow PIP naming guidelines, which breaks installing other Python packages globally. You can get around it with a Python virtual env, which you should probably be using anyway, but I consider it a massive oversight that this was allowed to happen. You get PLENTY of notice before a PIP goes from "proposal" to "this will break your shit". - I feel like so much dev time is spent making distros, which is a lot of wasted effort. The value of having "niche-but-popular" distros like MX Linux, Manjaro and EndeavourOS seems very low versus getting something like font-smoothing standardized. I realize those are two different "focus areas" though. - Of course I have to mention the lack of native app support. Adobe CC, MS Office, little companion apps for hardware like mice, keyboards, etc.

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Post by hardware2win »

hyperman1 wrote: post #503
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The reasoning is very good, you cannot deny it. >Users were assumed to be responsible agents, and protection against malware or legal usage was their responsibilty. This is naive as hell. Such approach doesnt scale. There are billions non tech people. Just because theres loud minority: hundred loudy nerds on HN and other tech news sites screaming about lack of customisability Then it doesnt mean that it was bad decis…

I am not advocating that every person is a sysadmin, only that the final decision to be or not be a sysadmin should be taken the computer owner. Windows 98 and XP still had a lot of low-hanging fruit in this case. Auto patching, firewall, virus scanning, system integrity are welcome things, and it is good that they are enabled by default. In fact, application boundaries are still too porous and it should be perfectly…

>We allow people to have children and do their own finances, both requiring a lot more education

How finances require more edu than one of the most advanced machines that constantly change the world, for decades?

Finances for 99% of ppl may be just: be careful with spending, prepare for bigger spendings and maybe tax filling? Thats it? You can even invest money into the stocks with just 15min tutorial.

Meanwhile computers from 0 to just web browser, email, etc is way more.

>Compare it with buying a random electrical appliance. The law requires basic safety and compatibility. People are not required to be electrical engineers to buy a lightbulb, even if the device is capable of burning down your and your neighbour's house. The process of replacing the bulb is consumer friendly enough and almost any human can do it. There are fuses for when things go wrong. I'd like to see the same thing apply for computers.

Light bulb??

Compare OSes with similarly complex stuff like cars.

They are definitely not user friendly and require a lot of training to get shit done

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Post by TheKarateKid »

pas wrote: post #264
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Maybe I’m wrong but Windows is “free” (as in beer) unless you want to change your desktop, and then you have to fork over 100 dollars (if you don’t just buy a license from one of these grey market sellers who advertise on youtube). It seems pretty clear to me that Microsoft serves ads and collects people’s data to subsidize, at least to some degree the losses of not selling license codes for 150-200 dollars. This is…

I'd gladly pay 100 bucks for Win 11 as it came out. But since then it's just getting worse, it's buggy (frequent BSODs/freezes/not-waking-up-from-sleeps on my AMD desktop), Windows Update is still shit (it reboots automatically without even once asking, yes I know there's a setting; sometimes the update takes ages on one of my laptops), it's an uphill battle, very reminiscent of ~2010 Linux desktop era. Oh that remin…

It works! Until you install a bad update that bricks critical functionality of your OS. Just rollback the update! Ok, found a copy of an older package from some repo. Oh no!! This older version requires 5 older dependencies which were updated with 32 others during the update.

5 hours later: Ugh. I'll just have to do a fresh OS install again.

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Post by IshKebab »

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Nope! I used it for a while and had issues with screen sharing/capture in Firefox and OBS (it did work in Chrome but then my webcam didn't work there - classic Linux). I never thought it would take 3 decades for Wayland to be mature.

How long ago was this? Screen sharing[0] and capture[1] works fine in wlroots. [0]: Supported with workarounds circa 2020, most were merged by 2022 - https://github.com/emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr/wiki/Screencast-Compatibility [1]: I've had success using `wf-recorder` https://github.com/ammen99/wf-recorder

Right now. On RHEL 8 admittedly, and it Firefox screen sharing did work at first, but it randomly broke at some point. OBS capture never worked in Wayland for me.

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Post by WWLink »

rafark wrote: post #99
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It's probably my computer/browser, but that feels hella slow. For those getting ideas, Windows 2000 was lightning fast to use. Even on something humble at the time. Those windows and menus popped up instantly.

Not really. When I was a kid in the mid 2000s I remember the family computer was hella slow. The menus did not pop up instantly. You probably used it on a top of the line machine. For a lot of us, windows 2000 and xp was sluggish and slow. Our pc used to have 512mb of ram iirc.

Family computers were only sold with 98, Me, or XP. Unless someone in your family intentionally installed windows 2000 it probably wasn't running 2000. 2000 lacked the compatibility layer that was added to XP, so a lot of games wouldn't run on 2000.

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Post by smaudet »

jwagenet wrote: post #436
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That population is shrinking. Having worked in very large (investment) Banks, other parts of the finance sector, the move is generally to divest from thick clients to web. The whole COVID situation pushed this along even faster with the reliance on diverse VDI solutions, which don't necessarily play very well with crummy in house thick client apps.

This might be true for business apps, but I don’t see any suitable replacements (by a long shot) for mechanical CAD, Adobe Suite, etc.

High performance, low error-tolerance applications previously only available to Windows are a continuing lock-in, yes - that's part of why gpu drivers are such a big deal.

There have been working comparability layers for the various hard-to-run on anything but Windows software appliances, but a major sticking point has been the GPU support (which keeps the software running well).

I don't think this will be true forever though, graphics drivers continue to make strides in being more open, often to the benefit of the various organizations writing or purchasing the gpus/firmware/drivers.

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Post by michaelcampbell »

nstart wrote: post #31

Windows is my daily driver. I actually like the OS but Microsoft would do well to listen to these concerns being raised consistently. They need to ask some deep questions of themselves of what they want Windows to be. This reminds me of the days where Ballmers goal seemed to be to lock everyone into Windows and MS products when the real upside turned out to be “make MS products fully available where people already ar…

> what they want Windows to be.

A way to make as much money as they possibly can. Was this ever a question, really?

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