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GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by bombcar »

e40 wrote: post #427
samiru wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

I've used Teams, Zoom and Meet. Teams is, by far, the worst options. I cringe every time I have to use it, because it's random whether I or one of my colleagues will not waste minutes at the start of the meeting getting something to work, or just joining. You see, MS has completely messed up the login for Teams. I have like 3 different MS accounts (Azure, Office365, etc). Some of my coworkers have many more than that…

> You see, MS has completely messed up the login for Teams.

This is my single biggest complaint.

Teams with your small group of people on the same Microsoft365 account? Decent, it works, whatever.

Try to invite someone outside your group to chat, even if you give licenses away like candy? Hell. Absolute hell. End up giving up and make an actual account on your tenant? They can't easily switch between them, and it's hell to ever figure out why.

Completely unusable. They could have made the email of chat and fucked it up.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by MarkusWandel »

Dissenting opinion? I'm a Linux person through and through, my entire household runs on Linux. But at work we have Windows laptops, to run the Windows office tools - most of the real work is done remotely on Linux machines.

I'm not particularly fond of Outlook. It just somehow doesn't "think" like I do. It does work. But I like Teams. We use it for most 1:1 calls, all kinds of impromptu meetings, scheduled meetings, remote screen-shared co-work, and of course text chats. It may be a bloated monster but that's on capable laptop that's doing little real work so that doesn't matter. It has some minor bugs but they aren't a big source of frustation in the bigger picture.

I tried it on my Linux machine once. It was a bloated, slow Electron app. Maybe the Windows one is "more native" or the computer is that much better, but... no issues.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by josephd79 »

generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

Yep, it’s bundled with office 365 so I’m gonna assume that’s why most companies use it. Which is why we use it at work. I’m not a fan either. Desktop app just seems slow as hell on my Mac.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

mhardcastle wrote: post #117
kimbernator wrote: post #72

How is it possible that Teams is still such a poor product? I really didn't like it when my job switched like 6 years ago, and I don't recall ever feeling that it improved in any meaningful way. I switched jobs to one using Slack and it's not perfect but it is a lot better. It's almost a meme at this point. In the presence of other clients that have gotten it "right" (or at least more "right" than teams) like Slack,…

I don't disagree with the limitations of Teams, but Microsoft improved their video call/conferencing software substantially when they moved from Skype for Business to Teams. At least things haven't been entirely stagnant.

But also, the volume is too low in Teams and has been since forever. Slack, Zoom, Meet and so on has this working.

Most fun thing about Teams is that it works so poorly with different accounts that everybody waits for just that guy that logs in with a non-guest account and let the herd in.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by josephd79 »

matwood wrote: post #276
samiru wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

> My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day. For video or text chat or both? Meet + Slack is my preferred solution. IMO Google Meet is the easiest to use video meeting software. Click link and the person is dropped in the meeting. Slack is the best text chat. Zoom is fine. Teams is a dumpster fire on my mac. I have a couple external meetings that are Teams and I have to remember start trying…

Don’t forget the random mic / sound issues and even worse the phantom rings lol. It sucks

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by einpoklum »

People reading this - please consider looking into Jitsi, a FOSS alternative to Zoom/Teams for video conferencing with chat.

https://www.jitsi.org/

It may not have all the features I would like, but it works well enough. It doesn't have political censorship (like Zoom has - admittedly only in rare cases). And while Zoom may offer more polish (and Teams could, if MS bothered to fix the UX bugs) - Jitsi is quite usable, and with our support, in terms of both use, QA and possible donations it could improve even further and be fully on par with the commercial offerings.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by giantrobot »

hulitu wrote: post #423
giantrobot wrote: post #329

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If I get a message on Teams and bring the window forward, the text box isn't active so if I start typing a reply nothing happens. Now I need to use the cursor to select the box. So fuck me if I tab to Teams to reply to a message. When joining a video/audio meeting, even though the "Join" button is colored like it's active, hitting enter will pull up some part of the audio or video config instead of joining the meetin…

Welcome to the new UX/UI/Web x.0 whatever. Why, in the name of ... , when only 1 (one) input field is displayed on the screen, why it is not active ? 20 years ago this was the standard. What happened ?

"I added the .active class to the div! What more do you want?!"

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by epolanski »

mfer wrote: post #491
generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

On a regular basis I use Teams, Zoom, and Jitsi for video conferencing. Teams isn't the most troublesome of the set. > I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. In big companies like GitHub people don't typically choose their own video conference platform. It's picked for them. For Microsoft I can see a huge benefit to using Tea…

> In big companies like GitHub people don't typically choose their own video conference platform. It's picked for them.

Yes, for larger meetings that applies.

Realistically, people will ping each other and video call on slack/hangouts/whatever if they don't like company's choice.

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