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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by smcn »

slg wrote: post #508
smcn wrote: post #499

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Would Chinas inability to contain conversations give you pause as to how achievable that goal is? Would you be looking at criminalising lies and the spreading of them, even without knowing its a lie? If so, how many people would be prosecuted? If not, how will it help?

China is trying to control conversations as a means of controlling the population. That comes with its own problems that are unrelated to regulating speech. >Would you be looking at criminalising lies and the spreading of them, even without knowing its a lie? I don't know what you mean by this. We don't know whether a potentially defamatory statement is a lie or not until there is a trial. This would be no different.…

So in effect you don't care about the issue and are content with how things are? I'm sorry, I'm not sure that I understand what stance you're taking. Misinformation is not an issue to you, would that be correct?

Requiring a trial to do anything about a lie on social media would mean that there would be no change. By the time the trial comes, the lie is old news and there is some new conspiracy taking grip.

That would be, essentially, meaningless. Not in any way, shape, or form preventative.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by therealmocker »

xwdv wrote: post #411
cultofmetatron wrote: post #37

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> For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah, many people are used to using VPN because of these blocks not to mention, imagine learning to setup a VPN (Beacuse your life depends on it) while you're buried under rubble..

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Post reads surprisingly like an auto generated ad for NordVPN

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by [deleted] »

skeaker wrote: post #460
NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #376

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Holy false equivalent, Batman! The poster's point was pretty simple: there is some speech which doesn't deserve to be fully protected to the highest possible level. Untrue commercial speech like false advertising is pretty much in that category. This is why we allow attorneys-general to bring cases against false advertisers, for example. Usually the remedy is monetary damages, but injunctive relief is also available.…

Isn't the crime of false advertising in the failure to deliver what was claimed, and not the claim itself? You can very well falsely advertise your product however you like provided you don't actually sell it to anyone, because once you deliver them a product that isn't what you claimed, that's when the actual crime occurs.

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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by monetus »

bentlegen wrote: post #433
Teever wrote: post #396

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People can be victims of false advertising even if they don't actually complete a transaction with the offender.

“These other products give you cancer! Only use Febreze to mask odours in your home.” viewer goes and tosses out all their presumably-cancer causing products, never purchases Febreze

In a similar vein, there is a "fruits and veggies" vitamins commercial that advocates skipping meals to afford the vitamins, as they give you all you need.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by ikeserbestian »

blagie wrote: post #90
can16358p wrote: post #19

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

Turkey, "Türkiye" is just another useless show from the "president".

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by ikeserbestian »

mrtksn wrote: post #479
comboy wrote: post #470

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Can anybody elaborate why? I understand if it's financial crisis or some other gov fuckup. But this is a natural disaster on an unprecedented scale, government may not have enough resources to handle it. What's the game here?

Let me try. So Erdogan himself came into power after the 1999 Earthquake devastating the country and wrecking the economy, leading to early elections, leading to his party winning landslide election in 2002. That earthquake was like nothing seen before, hitting the most industrialised and populous part of the country and they had to introduce new taxes like Luxury consumption tax to fix the damage and prepare so that…

Thank you.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by slg »

smcn wrote: post #511
slg wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is trying to control conversations as a means of controlling the population. That comes with its own problems that are unrelated to regulating speech. >Would you be looking at criminalising lies and the spreading of them, even without knowing its a lie? I don't know what you mean by this. We don't know whether a potentially defamatory statement is a lie or not until there is a trial. This would be no different.…

So in effect you don't care about the issue and are content with how things are? I'm sorry, I'm not sure that I understand what stance you're taking. Misinformation is not an issue to you, would that be correct? Requiring a trial to do anything about a lie on social media would mean that there would be no change. By the time the trial comes, the lie is old news and there is some new conspiracy taking grip. That would…

If we lower the speed limit of every road in the country, the average speed of cars would drop even if we didn't increase the number of people we ticket for speeding.

We should change our laws to allow for more restrictions on purposeful lies that damage society. We shouldn't allow ExxonMobil to spend decades researching carbon emissions while knowingly lying about the conclusions of that research to the public. They should face repercussions for that as well as the people who knowingly spread that misinformation. I think that would be more effective than what you seem to be proposing which appears to be either limitations on recommendation algorithms or ad supported content.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by ikeserbestian »

diimdeep wrote: post #153
seydor wrote: post #145

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I didn't realize that HN was included in Erdogan's bot army targets

I dare you to say something constructive instead of this 'bot' calling. Here is video to prove my theory [0] [0] Prank with Former United States National Security Advisor John Bolton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=895Y5G5E6g8

I dare you to go to Turkey and help people or go fight with US or you're just another Erdogan-lover-bot. This government came this point with "US style libertarian economical and social movement" rubbish discourse and people only got "some Islamic totalitarian pressure and meaningless developments about building industry" from them which why so many people lying under the rubble this cold February night.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by ikeserbestian »

fleddr wrote: post #179

Despite a 1999 warning that killed 17-18K, rampant corruption, incompetence and neglect have not improved construction standards, despite the promise to do so. That means that the vast majority of today's deaths were preventable. Imagine being accountable to that. Better to call it "misinformation".

Just a mini, personal note:

In 1999, collapsed buildings far more than 17k - 18k and nobody knows how many people died. I remember some 800k - 1m estimations.

Today, just few videos shows at least 10k more houses was collapsed but "officials" says just 4k people died.

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