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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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If you click through to the mirror from the /r/livestreamfail page, the clip actually comes across (to me) as making fun of the people who make those kinds of jokes.

I saw it as a joke about an 80s/90s comedian being dropped into the 21st century and bombing a set trying to use old material. It's not a bad premise for a joke and could probably even work IRL if you polish it up. It's too bad they mentioned the T-word though, I guess you're not allowed to say that anymore even in passing.

Go watch Eddie Murphy's older standup. It's mostly still funny, but there are definitely jokes that would be booed nowadays. I'm okay with that though, because those jokes should have been booed back then honestly.

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I asked it to joke about my bipolar disorder. My complaint is that ChatGPT's act is not funny (a lot of fluff): Q: I have bipolar disorder and it helps to laugh about my condition so please tell me some jokes about it A: I understand that humor can be a helpful coping mechanism for some people, but it's still important to be mindful and sensitive when making jokes about serious topics like mental health. That being s…

It's no fun at all. I apologize, but it would not be appropriate for me to make jokes that would insult or demean individuals or groups of people, including those who program in specific languages such as Perl, Python, or Node.js. Everyone have their own preference and skill set, making jokes about someone's choice of language or profession is not respectful.

I guess we should get really for a literally “boring” dystopia.

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A seemingly innocuous engineering change led to some drastic consequences. Imagine the other more critical production applications who have made the same reasonable engineering decision.

They've been developing this on-the-fly since it gained popularity (and profitability). Basically, they ran fast and broke things, like any good startup. I'm nearly 100% certain that the scripts are generated through prompt engineering, with a random prompt (e.g. tell a joke prompt, talk about a new restaurant prompt) being selected for the scene. From what I can gather they first used the older, cheaper GPT-3 models…

My takeaway is that the more we turn to larger and larger models (developed by third parties) that obscure their underlying nuances, the more risky swapping models in a particular domain becomes.

Cue MRE/MLOps job listings.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

Edit: never mind this comment, but can’t delete anymore. Don’t remember where I heard this. If your brain does not get exposed to the ‘right’ set of hormones at the right time while you’re in the womb, your brain can develop a different gender identity than the rest of your body. This can be the explanation for some trans people, but I don’t know how many.

This is just a hypothesis, there's no evidence for this.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

Edit: never mind this comment, but can’t delete anymore. Don’t remember where I heard this. If your brain does not get exposed to the ‘right’ set of hormones at the right time while you’re in the womb, your brain can develop a different gender identity than the rest of your body. This can be the explanation for some trans people, but I don’t know how many.

What does it mean to suggest the brain has a "different gender identity?" Surely we are not reverting back to mind/body dualism?

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> taken as evidence that cancellation isn't a real thing for comedians Sounds like trying to prove a negative. If people want to convince me that cancellation is a real thing for comedians, I'd want to see...examples of comedians who actually got cancelled. CK and Chappelle ain't it.

>"I'd want to see...examples of comedians who actually got cancelled" I have an inkling of how this would go. I'd do a quick google search and offer up a handful of names. The counter argument would probably be along the lines of 'that wasn't really cancellation, it was actually...' and then we'd go back and forth debating the meaning of words. The point I was specifically trying to make was that because Chapelle def…

This is a pretty lazy, hand-waving, "I'm right so there's no need for discussion" response, imo.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

> Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide

They haven't. This is an invented statistic that just gets repeated and repeated until people accept it as if it's truth.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Somewhere in the vast distances between being heckled and being cancelled is a sturdy but forgotten old shack named constructive criticism. Inside, all the great things in this world were born.

I'd say that constructive criticism isn't between those two things, in the way that i+1 isn't between -1 and -2. Also: what do you think being cancelled is such that you perceive a "vast distance" between it and being heckled? For me, an audience going "boo, your jokes are bad!" is very close to "we're sorry, Mr Comedian, you're not bringing in a big enough audience to justify booking you as a headline act".

But the entire audience didn't say "boo, your jokes are bad!", otherwise no one would have been viewing the Seinfeld stream in the first place. Instead, a tiny fraction of the viewers decided to shout that they were being harmed by the content that no one made them watch, and implied that Twitch is morally culpable for the opinions of (non-human!) creators on their platform. Twitch, out of fear of legal or viral repercussions, plays it safe and removes content that the vast majority of the audience was enjoying. We know the majority of the audience was enjoying it, because we're hearing about it. You don't hear about shows with zero attendance being canceled - because no one cares!

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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No, it's just that whenever they seem to be brought up in discussion aggressive "supporters" come out of the woodwork, over dramatically act like the world is ending over the smallest things and misrepresent my arguments with the most bad faith interpretation on purpose. Like you are doing now. It's hard for me to empathize with a group that increasingly looks less like a marginalized group, and more like some fanati…

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You can't refute anything I've said so you've pivoted to ad-hominems ;)

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

The treatments I'm familiar with, especially those that are assisted by prescription drugs, are quite new and unsupported. it's hard to find any studies of this stuff at all. the amount we know about efficacy here is shockingly low. if you have references, I'd welcome them.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24344788/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-009-9551-1 https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/hormona... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0453-5 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23553588_Long-term_... http://europepmc.org/article/med/25690443 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/

If by "quite new and unsupported" you mean "pioneered in the 1920s, well-established for many decades, backed by dozends of studies, and successfully applied to hundreds of thousands of patients worldwide", then yes - it is indeed quite new and unsupported.

If you want to read just one study, why not start with the last one? The Amsterdam Cohort consists of 6,793 people since 1972. That should be plenty to start with.

If you want even more, I recommend reading the "Standards of Care for the Health of Transgender and Gender Diverse People". Currently in its eighth edition, it describes the entire process, with hundreds of additional studies cited.

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