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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by enknamel »

RangerScience wrote: post #500
ShredKazoo wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. My friend who still lives in the Valley says this kind of sentiment is incredibly common there nowadays, e.g. advertising an open position and having discussions internally that a man won't be hired for the role. It's pretty surprising to me, because statistics show that most major careers have a gender imbalance in one di…

:shrug: The first computer scientist (IMHO) was a woman - Ada Lovelace [1]. It's also my understanding that, when computers were first introduced, they were mostly seen as aide to secretarial work, which is why a lot of the early computer pioneers were women - it was actually women-dominated at that time [2]. So there's (IMO) historical evidence that it's not inherently a "male" field; which I see as evidence that th…

That's not really a point relevant to the discussion. What matters when it comes to hiring, is that for any open CS role, >90% of applicants are male.

Looking up the funnel, about 80% of CS graduates are male (even though females outnumber males in college attendance).

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by seadan83 »

schroeding wrote: post #507
seadan83 wrote: post #499

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It is hard to know whether that would be a willful mis-reading or not. Creates the straw retort, "see, you don't care about victim X at all, you are a hypocrite and not actually wanting to solve this problem! X matter too!" For some, having that kind of dialogue is their goal rather than actually discuss the problem of sexual harrasment. The false equivalence is not the impact of the problem, but the prevalence of th…

> It is hard to know whether that is a willful mis-reading or not. It was not a willful mis-reading. I do not think you are a hypocrite, and my comment was not meant to create a "straw retort". I honestly believe you want to erradicate rape. I tried my best to make this as clear as possible, if I wasn't able to convey it well enough that is my fault and I'm sorry. English is not my first language, this is not meant a…

Hehe, no worries. We're in pretty good agreement I think, and I don't think I mis-interpreted your comment either (so no worries, no offense taken).

The OP question was: "why is this political"

My response should have been a lot more concise. In sum: "This is a 'man bites dog story' that can be used to create a false equivalence for the prevalence of harassment between men & women, which can then be used in an attack-the-messenger style argument of "you don't actually care about sexual harassment, you just want to attack men'"

The amount of nuance here is pretty astounding, so those that want a status quo really want us to be having this conversation.

> Sorry. I hope you have a nice week.

No need to apologize, and the comment was not without its merits! It's a nuanced issue and discussion! My same wishes for you!

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by CyberDildonics »

moss2 wrote: post #334
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Rick & Morty creator Justin Roiland was charged last week with domestic violence, and Adult Swim has already cut all ties with him. Maybe he's a criminal asshole who deserves jail, or maybe he's innocent and a fabrication has ruined his career.

He apparently has a long history including explicit texts with minors. He wasn't allowed to be around anyone in the production for years and was just recording lines in his own basement. The real scandal there should be that the studio kept everything quiet and only cut him loose when the evidence they already knew about became public.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by depressedpanda »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #513
moss2 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rick & Morty creator Justin Roiland was charged last week with domestic violence, and Adult Swim has already cut all ties with him. Maybe he's a criminal asshole who deserves jail, or maybe he's innocent and a fabrication has ruined his career.

He apparently has a long history including explicit texts with minors. He wasn't allowed to be around anyone in the production for years and was just recording lines in his own basement. The real scandal there should be that the studio kept everything quiet and only cut him loose when the evidence they already knew about became public.

Even if what you say is true, I still prefer to live in society where innocent until proven guilty actually means something.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by ShredKazoo »

RangerScience wrote: post #500
ShredKazoo wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. My friend who still lives in the Valley says this kind of sentiment is incredibly common there nowadays, e.g. advertising an open position and having discussions internally that a man won't be hired for the role. It's pretty surprising to me, because statistics show that most major careers have a gender imbalance in one di…

:shrug: The first computer scientist (IMHO) was a woman - Ada Lovelace [1]. It's also my understanding that, when computers were first introduced, they were mostly seen as aide to secretarial work, which is why a lot of the early computer pioneers were women - it was actually women-dominated at that time [2]. So there's (IMO) historical evidence that it's not inherently a "male" field; which I see as evidence that th…

At the bottom of the Seattle Times article I linked is a list of occupations that used to be male-dominated and are now female-dominated, e.g. veterinarian.

Can we conclude that the gender imbalance among veterinarians is unexpected and undesirable?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by CyberDildonics »

depressedpanda wrote: post #514
CyberDildonics wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He apparently has a long history including explicit texts with minors. He wasn't allowed to be around anyone in the production for years and was just recording lines in his own basement. The real scandal there should be that the studio kept everything quiet and only cut him loose when the evidence they already knew about became public.

Even if what you say is true, I still prefer to live in society where innocent until proven guilty actually means something.

He is not locked up and won't be unless he loses in court.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

Thiez wrote: post #441
nvgeele wrote: post #385

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No they shouldn't, because such laws will just open the door to even more abuse. Imagine you are raped by someone. You go to the police to report the crime, but unfortunately, they deny, and you can't provide any real evidence. They can now countersue because you've made a "false allegation" which ruined their life.

Presumably for a "false accusation" conviction one would have to prove that (1) the accusations are false, and (2) the accuser was aware that the accusations were false. Merely failing to prove accusations (such as when there is insufficient evidence) would be insufficient for a false accusation conviction, as neither of these requirements are satisfied.

Isn't this already covered under libel?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by RangerScience »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #515
RangerScience wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:shrug: The first computer scientist (IMHO) was a woman - Ada Lovelace [1]. It's also my understanding that, when computers were first introduced, they were mostly seen as aide to secretarial work, which is why a lot of the early computer pioneers were women - it was actually women-dominated at that time [2]. So there's (IMO) historical evidence that it's not inherently a "male" field; which I see as evidence that th…

At the bottom of the Seattle Times article I linked is a list of occupations that used to be male-dominated and are now female-dominated, e.g. veterinarian. Can we conclude that the gender imbalance among veterinarians is unexpected and undesirable?

It's a good question, and I am troubled by not having the same reaction.

I would say tho that yes, I think it's unexpected and it's probably undesirable. What I'd want to check is how the male veterinarians felt about it. Do they feel like they're running into issues doing their job because of their gender?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by giardini »

fidgewidge wrote: post #355
jxf wrote: post #277

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> My friend who still lives in the Valley says this kind of sentiment is incredibly common there nowadays, e.g. advertising an open position and having discussions internally that a man won't be hired for the role. Your friend (and your friend's HR organization) should be aware that this is extremely illegal.

It's not actually illegal. For it to be actually illegal, governments would have to enforce the laws but they don't. Left wing governments can't get rid of the laws but they can easily appoint woke allies to enforcement positions, to ensure the law is only enforced in one direction. I've been in a company all hands , which was broadcast to the whole multi-office company via video link , where the CEO himself announce…

It may or may not be legal but it opens the corporation up to stockholder lawsuits. Once a corporation begins hiring on criteria unrelated to maximizing stockholder income they've gone down a path that will bring down management.

DEI initiatives harm corporations long-term and will always ultimately fail because the corporation is no longer maximizing profits. This is not a new idea: IIRC even Adam Smith had something to say about such kind of activity.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by giardini »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #69
bombolo wrote: post #31

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I've played music in dive bars. I've certainly been groped and also kissed when in the middle of a crowd.

Yeah, concerts, dive bars, festivals, sporting events. Generally, although not exclusively, older women. They always seem so surprised when I’m not flattered…

Well, honestly, you are pretty ugly!8-))
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