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India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Post by dan_mctree »

Matticus_Rex wrote: post #500
dan_mctree wrote: post #475

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Poverty in the west is often of a different kind than in India. Deep poverty in India can look living in self build house in a slum, with no or low and irregular income most of which goes straight into food and necessities. Deep poverty in the west often looks like having a stable income and roof, but being completely overwhelmed by high unavoidable static costs such as rent, health insurance, loan paybacks, etc. Of…

It's more depressing and suffocating than extremely high rates of malnutrition, less educational and institutional access, a stricter class system , having to cook with fuels like dung, poor sanitation, awful maternal health? Color me skeptical.

Malnutrition is common in the west too, though it more often takes the form of unhealthy overeating. Lack of physical exercise and lives lived inside also contribute to poor every day health. You're right that sanitation and maternal health are better in the west, but those are things that tend to outright kill you if they get to you. The western style health issues are more constant and boring, leading to a different type of suffering.

Likewise with the institutional access and class system, the west has a more sort of guaranteed based level of societal support. But in India, chances are larger that you'll have a more local social support group of family and friends. In comparison the west is often much more isolated and lonely

Obviously I'd still prefer being poor in the west, but I think it's reasonable to say we also have forms of suffering here that are different in kind and sometimes worse than in India

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Post by mensetmanusman »

richard___ wrote: post #28
mensetmanusman wrote: post #15

Such an awesome accomplishment. Also, it’s interestingly a huge black eye to the CCP: news of this Indian accomplishment will be censored in China, because it proves that nations can progress without forced-sterilization/-abortion/-1-child-policy/authoritarianism/ etc.

Why do so many people on HN hate on China? What's your relationship with Chinese people in your personal life?

The CCP is not China, they have actively destroyed ancient Chinese culture bulldozing over historical sites to build strip malls…

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Post by 34675904565 »

oblio wrote: post #495
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America is not a "free market" capitalist country. I would say it's of the lack of a free market that enabled the wealthiest to capture that wealth that would otherwise have been more evenly distributed. There is an enormous amount of regulation in the US (and other countries) designed to make it nearly impossible to compete with the established actors in the market.

The free aka perfect market does not exist. It's impossible to achieve in reality: - fungible goods (i.e. stuff like toilet paper where you have 100s of vendors most people can't really differentiate much in terms of end result): good luck with that for any kind of complex good - perfect information symmetry (i.e. the vendor and the buyer and seller know exactly the same about the product): can't happen when most buy…

Nobody thinks a perfect market, or perfect anything is possible. It's just a theoretical concept. None of the imperfections you mentioned can be solved by a state or any other form of coercion.

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Post by bergenty »

MJsGlove wrote: post #446
bergenty wrote: post #442

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If you want food you just go to a food kitchen. It’s not real.

“Just stop being poor bro!”

If you can crawl to the food bank they give you food, for free. Where do I imply “stop being poor”?

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Post by vram22 »

raverbashing wrote: post #432
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Father-in-law. Like BIL for Brother-in-law. Apropos, I've always wondered where the terms gf and bf, for girlfriend and boyfriend, came from, i.e. the West, or India. Wonder, because many such short forms come from or are unique to Indian English.

It's the obvious acronym for those words

Yes, that's obvious to me too. My point was not whether it was common, but where it came from.

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Post by vram22 »

titanomachy wrote: post #310
vram22 wrote: post #284

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Father-in-law. Like BIL for Brother-in-law. Apropos, I've always wondered where the terms gf and bf, for girlfriend and boyfriend, came from, i.e. the West, or India. Wonder, because many such short forms come from or are unique to Indian English.

gf and bf widely used in the west

Known, before. See my reply to raverbashing.

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Post by ninjanomnom »

tnel77 wrote: post #498
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During my childhood I fulfilled the first three for about four years or so and knew many others in similar situations. This was in the US, any country with significant undeveloped land is going to have areas that have people who fulfill the first three pretty easily.

I’m not calling you a liar, but I am heavily skeptical. Where and when did this occur within the continental United States?

I never said continental, this was on the Big Island in Hawaii. Though I would be shocked if there weren't similar places in the large patches of undeveloped land in the west side of the US.

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Post by ninjanomnom »

jonas21 wrote: post #364
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During my childhood I fulfilled the first three for about four years or so and knew many others in similar situations. This was in the US, any country with significant undeveloped land is going to have areas that have people who fulfill the first three pretty easily.

Just out of curiosity, how far did you have to walk to fetch water, what was the source, how much did you carry back at a time, and how often did you do this? Sorry for so many questions, but I always think of the U.S. as such a developed country that it's interesting to hear counterexamples.

Every year I lived in a different location but the shortest was a bit more than half an hour trip by bike and I could only safely manage a single gallon. Usually though we'd get water when we hitchhiked into town as we could get more at once. Both of these sources came from water resupply points for trucks but no on cared if you filled a few gallon containers. Rain water was also usable in many cases but we avoided drinking it. We went out maybe once a week or so?

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Post by mushbino »

newyankee wrote: post #375
piva00 wrote: post #94

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Be careful with that, I saw the same happening in Brazil between 2002-2012 just to start unraveling quickly after that. Our economies and societies are still pretty fragile, any political shock can start a downwards spiral. Stay vigilant.

But Brazil is a really rich country when you consider resources, India is not so, especially when you look at the population size. Only hope for India to maintain momentum is replicating at least 25 % of the Chinese manufacturing success.

The issue with Brazil is that only a tiny handful of elites own and benefit from all of the resources. Income inequality is through the roof.
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