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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by itsoktocry »

Kranar wrote: post #274
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The first NES and Playstation were MASSIVE successes for their respective companies, as was the Gameboy. I never said they weren't successful, I said they were also mismanaged during development like you said about the xbox, because management at Nintendo did not believe in the product. >I have no idea where you got the idea that any of those products were mismanaged Documentaries and war stories on youtube rabit ho…

Can you please link to a Youtube video or article indicating that Nintendo management thought the Gameboy or NES would be a failure or that Sony thought that the Playstation would be a failure. I am looking at some quick sources that I can find, and it looks like the complete opposite, that the management at Nintendo was very eager to develop a home video game console based on the success of their arcade games. They…

I'm not sure what point you're making here. As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. They had problems, as did Nintendo and Sega (as talked about in Console Wars). It certainly wasn't all roses. Sega stopped building systems altogether!

The Xbox 360/One outsold the NES/SNES. That's amazing.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by bitL »

dblooman wrote: post #324
bitL wrote: post #86

Maybe I am missing the point, but why wouldn't you rather buy a NUC instead of this slow box? I get it MS wants to be like Apple, meticulously copying anything that pops up there, but their brand is associated with different "experiences" and their main value lies in backwards compatibility and open hardware ecosystem.

meticulously? What is it that Microsoft has really copied in the last five years?

Like the UI changes in Windows 11? Surface hardware? Windows Store?

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Post by Scharkenberg »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #504
Scharkenberg wrote: post #503

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All ARM64 Windows devices have been "bootloader-unlocked". That has been the case for the last 5 years. Windows RT and Windows Phone devices are literally irrelevant to this discussion regardless of your anecdote.

In the past 5 years, how many ARM devices has MS released, other than the Surface Pro X ? My "anecdote" is actually the majority of MS's history so far. You just can't claim it's scaremongering when they have released so many locked down ARM devices it's hard to remember all of them, and definitely easier to just remember the few "unlocked" devices they have ever released (just the X?). And also "obviously" we should…

> In the past 5 years, how many ARM devices has MS released, other than the Surface Pro X ?

Two Surface Pro X and one Surface Pro 9. I intentionally said "all ARM64 Windows devices", without restricting it to Microsoft ones, no matter how many there have been: it remains the current platform-wide policy, regardless of the FUD.

The rest of your comment is either strawmanning or shifting the discussion further away from where it started and I don't find it worth responding to.

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

Scharkenberg wrote: post #513
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the past 5 years, how many ARM devices has MS released, other than the Surface Pro X ? My "anecdote" is actually the majority of MS's history so far. You just can't claim it's scaremongering when they have released so many locked down ARM devices it's hard to remember all of them, and definitely easier to just remember the few "unlocked" devices they have ever released (just the X?). And also "obviously" we should…

> In the past 5 years, how many ARM devices has MS released, other than the Surface Pro X ? Two Surface Pro X and one Surface Pro 9. I intentionally said "all ARM64 Windows devices", without restricting it to Microsoft ones, no matter how many there have been: it remains the current platform-wide policy, regardless of the FUD. The rest of your comment is either strawmanning or shifting the discussion further away fro…

> Two Surface Pro X and one Surface Pro 9.

Two devices compared to dozens of locked ones including the original Surface as well as the 2nd RT.

> I intentionally said "all ARM64 Windows devices", without restricting it to Microsoft ones

And how are non Microsoft devices relevant to a discussion of a Microsoft device? You made the same point before...

> The rest of your comment is either strawmanning or shifting the discussion further away

In case you didn't notice, all your 3 replies so far have been filled to the brim with _accusations_ of FUDing, irrelevance, strawmanning and whatever without even mentioning what is irrelevant or why. Everything I say is apparently an irrelevant anecdote, even thought it is actually the historical trend of MS ARM released devices, and the anecdote if anything is the last device only. Why are your arguments any better exactly?

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Post by skohan »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #493
skohan wrote: post #481

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What more *nix do you want on macOS than is already there? I can understand from the lockdown perspective (i.e. just give me a Vulkan driver on macOS) but as a polished DTE with a unix terminal I find it pretty decent.

MacOS is great and all but no Ctrl + Alt + T for terminal, no deal.

There must be a way to set up a hotkey for this right?

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Post by glandium »

lodonnell9213 wrote: post #490
my123 wrote: post #429

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Snapdragon Developer Kit was built with a "cost above all" mandate, $219 target pricing but it just wasn't powerful enough. > There is no other supported desktop/CI/etc. solution for Windows on ARM. (Mac mini with Parallels/VMware is a popular unsupported alternative. It may still be your fastest.) Azure cloud instances are also an option. > but I'm not sure if there's remaining appetite for Windows target-specific d…

I feel Microsoft is in a similar position to it’s windows phones in regards to ARM. Additionally they don’t have a system like Rosetta 2 to help with translation, a LOT of windows apps are x32/64 based, and there has to be an incentive for devs to make the switch, Apple faced this issue when moving from PPC, they used I believe Carbon to help, and over time took carbon off and forced devs to update to apples current…

> Additionally they don’t have a system like Rosetta 2 to help with translation

They do. I'm not sure it covers x86-64 yet, but it does x86.

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Post by stevefan1999 »

Despite being in Hong Kong I'm really excited to buy one if it is available in my region natively (so I don't have to pay in RMB which is very volatile recently). Most of you guys forgot that you can run WSL in ARM as well -- yes, the same WSLg is capable of running Android on Windows on ARM, natively and very much faithfully. This could mean a whole lot of things including a much-integrated testing and app development pipeline with a whooping 32G of LPDDR4X memory, that means it is finally possible to run a lot of dev software most likely such as java, dotnet and node stuff that can offer day-0 cross platform support. I'm thus very confused why Microsoft is marking Volterra to run AI workload despite the it should be richer on the other side

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Post by stevefan1999 »

Finnucane wrote: post #278
chinabot wrote: post #170

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Prefer 32GB than a better CPU. By the way When the fuck did 32GB become an entry requirement, I am so saddened by the crappy software and stacks that treats memory like an infinite resource

Being old enough to remember when 32K was generous space, memory is an infinite resource.

What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away. Blame Microsoft for that.
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