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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by GeekyBear »

est31 wrote: post #296
gleenn wrote: post #223

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Citation needed. Is this really true? I keep hearing about RCS etc but I also keep hearing it's not actually a good standard. Not even sure it does encryption frankly.

There is nobody preventing Apple from developing an Android app for iMessage. They already have a bunch of apps on the play store, including one for Apple TV, Beats, and a migration app for iOS. https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Apple

Nobody prevented Microsoft from creating a Youtube app for Windows Phone.

Oh, wait. Google prevented Microsoft from creating a Youtube app for Windows Phone.

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Post by seydor »

I have a different take than most here. Let's face it the devices are pretty good in both platforms. Apple does the basic stuff fast, but doesnt even support the other stuff because it's a prepackaged experience. Androids are very versatile and have some convenient features (secure folder, headphone jack, sometimes better cameras etc). The primary reason for apple is the brand recognition and lifestyle choice. Many people think they d look 'amateurish' holding an android. It s an uber-popular fashion item. And kids are a ton more sensitive to peer pressure

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Post by conductr »

alvarezbjm-hn wrote: post #409
idle_zealot wrote: post #299

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It's not just a trivial difference in bubble color. SMS conversations in iMessage lose features. The social rejection is a result of the features lost when an Android user participates in a messaging group.

The social rejection is a result of teens being teens, as pointed out. Adults would use another more inclusive tool, like whatsapp, email, discord, rss, etc.

I and most adults I know have never used those apps. We’re also on our ~15th iphone

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Post by noobermin »

I'd like to challenge this narrative somewhat, why do people care about what teens like exactly? I've heard for years (EDIT: decades, as long as I have been alive) teens are a "coveted demographic," but teenagers, especially today hardly have any disposable income. Why is some sense of "popularity" valuable, which is somehow valuable enough to be its own category apart from sales, a quantity that I thought would be much more important.

Wouldn't being popular amongst people who actually buy your things more important? iPhones are definitely popular, but they are profitable not just because they are popular, but that they are popular at the price point they are.

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Post by sho_hn »

Maursault wrote: post #506
sho_hn wrote: post #460

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My take here is that if iMessage is truly a Better Tool, I'd be great if it was available on any computer that fulfills the hardware requirements to participate. For example, Apple could release an iMessage app for Android (and if they priced it fairly, this would still be cheaper than an iPhone, yet still turn them a profit). Or release specs so others can do so. Do I think they should be or should feel obligated to…

> if it was available on any computer that fulfills the hardware requirements to participate Thank you, that's the walled garden perspective I was missing, same as the complaint of those that want to run macOS on non-Mac hw. Usually the walled garden complaints are from the other side of the wall, Apple device users being prevented from installing what they want unless it is already available from AppStore. I didn't…

Yes, sorta. But I think the case of a chat protocol and "Apple should make macOS available for all PCs" are still a bit different.

For example, speaking personally I have no gripe if Apple doesn't want to write an iMessage app for Android, but I think it would be great if the specs and/or APIs were available so that others could write one, even without reaching for one of the regulation-style arguments mentioned above.

Both imply asking Apple to spend effort. With putting macOS on PCs the effort is obvious. But making it possible for others to write an iMessage client also requires effort: For example designing iMessage's technology in such a way that a malicious client can't compromise the system, keeping the protocol relatively stable and sanely versioned, documentation, and so on. With my engineer's hat on, as an opinion, I think this type of effort would contribute to make iMessage better tech as it's in line with the nature of a strong comm protocol, while macOS doesn't benefit as clearly from being on other computers.

The main counter-argument to it is the notion that walled-garden messengers have innovated faster on UX than the standardized ones and then you're back to unresolved quibbles about what's user value and so on. I don't think we've found the one true way to better-tool-to-more-people yet.

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Post by Huh1337 »

_-david-_ wrote: post #508
Huh1337 wrote: post #483

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Samsung has unlockable bootloader and good LineageOS support. Unheard of with these $20 phones. And even without flashing, I'd still rather be tracked by Samsung than whatever they put into these $20 ones.

Only some Samsung's have unlockable bootloaders.

Yeah, the flagships do, that's why I'm recommending them.

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Post by aeontech »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #446
nordsieck wrote: post #359

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> its the only iphone model with a physical front button. It's definitely a great feature if you wear a mask often. I find I only have trouble with it if my finger is wet.

I wish Apple would bring back the fingerprint scan. Once my iPhone 8 plus bricks they won't sell me a new 8. Face scanning is too dystopian and violating for me, but any iPhone after 8 requires it. I tried buying the SE to resist this practice, but it's designed to be intentionally tiny and inconvenient to force us neo-Luddites into the current corpo-dystopian era

I miss having TouchID as an option too… but, you can also, you know… just use a passcode and not set up FaceID…?

Also, just curious, what’s the problem with FaceID?

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Post by CharlesW »

rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

> My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death.

They'll get over it quickly, since in reality (I also have two teens) all group chats with friends are "green bubble" chats because participants include Android users. They'll instead grow to loathe the "blue bubble" chats with their parents and/or guardians.

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Post by collegeburner »

rejectfinite wrote: post #213
cercatrova wrote: post #182

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Messaging network effects, if you're in an iMessage conversation and an Android user joins, suddenly the conversation becomes SMS only with photo and video sending being crippled. Its the same as a social network, if all your friends use it, you almost have to in order to communicate with them.

They don't use FB Messenger, Discord, Telegram, Whatsapp? People are really out here using the default sms app? lmao Not a thing here, but we do love to ape america so its comming. Its gonna be one shows ppl whatch and then its over.

the experience on all those is way worse. telegram is pretty good but still not there. others arent even close.

snap is the least awful alternative.

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Post by _-david-_ »

Aloha wrote: post #98
m348e912 wrote: post #8

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(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

Show me an RSC server run by a carrier and I'd believe it.

Verizon: https://www.verizon.com/support/advanced-messaging-faqs/

AT&T: https://www.androidauthority.com/att-rcs-google-3121088/

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