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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by keehun »

bradgessler wrote: post #261
knubie wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a production rails app that I've been thinking of migrating to Fly from Heroku. After reading the Turboku[0] docs, it seems that the process only migrates the rails app itself, and continues to connect to the Postgres database on Heroku. Is that right? Are there any plans to "upgrade" Turboku or release a similar tool that makes migrating Heroku Postgres databases to Fly just as easy?

You're correct! The tool stops short of migrating the database from Heroku to Fly. I'm actually going to start working on this soon. Here's what that will look like: 1. A doc will appear at https://fly.io/docs/rails/ that walks through how to move over a Heroku app, including the database. I'm going to start drafting this next week since I have a few SaaS apps running on Heroku that I want to move over. 2. If the doc…

Hey, thanks for your warm outreach and help! I'm trying to use the https://fly.io/launch/heroku page to migrate my heroku application. I am already a paying customer for heroku, but I want to switch based on their direction.

I have authorized heroku access for fly.io page and yet no projects or applications appear in the last dropdown. Is there currently a known issue with this?

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by asdojasdosadsa »

One of my first touches to web development was to write a small web application and to deploy it Heroku.

Seeing my app live on Heroku made a really lasting effect, and now several years later I am still using Heroku (paid) and I am very happy client.

But - If Heroku didn't have a free tier then, I wouldn't probably have tried Heroku, maybe even knew what Heroku is

From my (client, paid) perspective, this seems very weird move, although maybe needed to save in costs; but maybe an approach like GitLab where you deprecate unused projects would work better?

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by jbirer »

It's really funny to see third world freeloaders seethe in the comments about this. Heroku is a great service that deserves the money, and it's not your ticket out of poverty by freelancing online. The free tier being removed means less Ukrainian / Indian spammers and bitcoin mining attempts, which means more resources for the paying quality clients. Thanks Heroku!

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by echelon »

jaxn wrote: post #482
effingwewt wrote: post #464

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No, young kids use google for nothing other than search, and they are getting off that too. I'm more and more hearing 'search' or 'look up' instead of 'google' as a verb. My kid's circles of friends consider email to be like snail mail/phone calls- nothing but spam. I warned them about g-products for years while they were growing up, but I needn't have worried- they see g/fb/insta/snap et al for the garbage it is. Mo…

Young people use google for YouTube more than anything else. When they search, it’s on YouTube.

TikTok is starting to replace Google for Gen Z.

There was an interesting Twitter thread not too long ago about Gen Z using TikTok instead of Google Search or YouTube for looking up how to do things. Recipes, fashion, products to buy, etc.

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Post by alam2000 »

mrkurt wrote: post #162
aarondf wrote: post #115

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Given that Heroku is killing their free tier because of "fraud and abuse" I'm pretty ok with Fly requiring a CC for their free tier. Requiring a legit CC has to cut that by a substantial amount, I'd think.

Yes, this. We (Fly.io) get a lot of abuse from users with stolen credit cards, too. But credit cards are the most useful anti-fraud tool we have. When we've relaxed the credit card restriction (like on https://fly.io/launch/livebook ), it gets "exploited" within about 48 hours. This sucks and we hate compromising the experience for legit users. We _want_ people to run their side projects on Fly.io without paying us m…

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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by bradgessler »

keehun wrote: post #511
bradgessler wrote: post #261

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You're correct! The tool stops short of migrating the database from Heroku to Fly. I'm actually going to start working on this soon. Here's what that will look like: 1. A doc will appear at https://fly.io/docs/rails/ that walks through how to move over a Heroku app, including the database. I'm going to start drafting this next week since I have a few SaaS apps running on Heroku that I want to move over. 2. If the doc…

Hey, thanks for your warm outreach and help! I'm trying to use the https://fly.io/launch/heroku page to migrate my heroku application. I am already a paying customer for heroku, but I want to switch based on their direction. I have authorized heroku access for fly.io page and yet no projects or applications appear in the last dropdown. Is there currently a known issue with this?

I can’t provide support here, but I can say next week I’m going to be cracking open the source code in that project to look into issues like this and figure out it I can’t get it to also move over the database.

If you post about this at https://community.fly.io/ others in the same boat as you and other folks from Fly will see this and give you a better response.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by JimDabell »

countspongebob wrote: post #67
aeyes wrote: post #13

Link to the public roadmap: https://github.com/orgs/heroku/projects/130 Blog post says "Salesforce has never been more focused on Heroku's future." but this looks like they are just keeping the lights on by deprecating and keeping security up to date. Which isn't bad if the product has reached maturity but I wonder if these really are the most important features users ask for. Why does the feedback link on the blog p…

We are doing more than keeping the lights on. Purpose of the public roadmap (which just launched, we'll need some time to really get it right, I'm sure) is to show what we are working on. Any comment on the work around github integration safety as an example? Watching for feedback here, but it's nice to know when I'm getting reachouts on product feedback directly who is touching base. Linked-in is great for that. But…

> it's nice to know when I'm getting reachouts on product feedback directly who is touching base. Linked-in is great for that.

It’s unclear if you are trying to be ironic here or serious, but in case you are being serious: this kind of language alienates a lot of technical people and reads like a parody. “Reach out” and “touch base” are salesperson lingo clichés that make people cringe, and using “reachouts” as a noun doubles down on that. Nobody here thinks LinkedIn is an appropriate venue for technical feedback (many people can’t stand it at all), and it’s LinkedIn, not Linked-in. I apologise if this comes across as snarky but if you want genuine communication with technical people, talking like a salesperson cliché undermines your goals. What you communicated with this announcement was “Heroku is in maintenance mode, run by non-technical people”. Your comments here are reinforcing that. If you want to connect with technical people, you have to lay off the salesperson lingo and talk like a normal person not InMail spam.

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Post by bjt »

cercatrova wrote: post #434
ryantgtg wrote: post #432

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Once dokku is installed, the deployment method is `git push dokku master` And how is that any more modern than heroku?

Did Heroku use containers? I seem to remember it didn't since back in the day.

I scoured the internet for the answer to this question years back and remember the answer being that they were using LXC containers, at least on the Cedar stack. This was a little bit before Docker launched.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by pbreit »

craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

This line is humorous: "The priority going forward is to support customers of all sizes who are betting projects, careers, and businesses on Heroku. Our customers include PensionBee, who helps people manage their pensions, and Softgiving, who uses Heroku to engage with donors."

People bet on Heroku for easy deployments are getting hosed.

And those are your best two reference users??

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by stjohnswarts »

vagabund wrote: post #79
craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

It's worth mentioning there's a very vibrant piracy community that abuses heroku's free tier for torrent to direct-download bots and myriad other purposes. Thousands and thousands of fake accounts using the resources to their limits 24/7. It's likely also the reason Google's moved away from unlimited storage for educational institutions. I can understand why Salesforce has felt the need to restrict access.

Couldn't they simply charge $1 a month and see how much of these meddlesome accounts get shut down? I bet it would be over 95% along with limited disk space.
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