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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Similar in South Korea: https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/5476857/south-korean-game-do... But what does this have to do with nudity or destroying lives? Seems totally off base.

The similarity is because it's an example of something other cultures see as normal, or at least harmless, but in the US it is seen as an egregious offense. Not hard for me to imagine a 7 year old American getting expelled and potentially prosecuted for trying to play a "Kancho" prank on a friend.

Today you'll probably get in trouble for tamer wedgies, so, yeah.

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Prohibition didn’t work. Everyone who wanted to kept drinking. Religious guilt is an ineffective motivator of change. Source: human history. It’s time to move on.

>Religious guilt is an ineffective motivator of change. >Source: human history. The alcohol consumption statistics of certain ME states strongly disprove your thesis.

What are you talking about? Which "certain" states? Iran, my old country, may be the 9th largest consumer of alcohol per capita [1,2]. There are hundreds of deaths due to wood-alcohol poisoning every year [3], mostly from people making moonshine from raisins and not being diligent enough to remove the stems, in lieu of access to safe drinking alcohol. I personally know many people who abuse alcohol just to be able to tolerate living under an oppressive theocracy, especially worsened in the last few years due to US sanctions which have made many everyday and essential goods inaccessible.

But it's very hard to find any data (let alone official data) on any of this, because nobody wants to suffer 72 lashes with 0-gague electrical cable at the hands of Iranian police for having admitted to have had a glass of wine or whatever one night.

Alcohol is an aspect of human civilization since per-historic times (as old as farming if not older) and always will be, regardless of what puritan Christians or foaming-at-the-mouth Mullahs might think of it.

Across the board (addiction, alcohol, abuse) any type of "zero-tolerance" "bring the hammer down" policy e.g. a blanket ban on alcohol has always been at best orthogonal and usually antithetical to harm reduction. As someone mentioned in the above comments, nuance is everything in providing support to the vulnerable --- ask any social worker. Religious guilt enjoys no such effectiveness.

(Sorry, two of the citations are in Persian, I couldn't find English sources. Google translate could be a workaround.)

Edit: spelling.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran-features-49967036

[2] https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789241565639

[3] https://ir.voanews.com/a/iran-alcohol/5362942.html

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You never know when Huawei or China will start doing something similar. You could do better and not have your data sitting with any corporate or government entity. I love my private Nextcloud running on a Raspberry PI. It syncs all contacts, calendar, files, bookmarks, tasks, notes, phone location, and much for may family's degoogled phones and PC's. Own your data and systems.

If only that were the normal … But we've now allowed multiple generations to be trained by the "big" ISPs to believe that we're not a part of the Internet, but simply consumers of it. Back in "the old days" most people who used the Internet were fully aware that their Internet connection made them a node on the Internet and that they had the ability and right to run personal or even public services on their Internet…

We are taking it back, bit by bit. This is why I make these comments to make people aware that it is possible and really not that difficult anymore.

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Why would you not print naked adults?

Puritans. We “banned” alcohol for 13 years. America’s greatest battle is with our dark religious past. We claim to be secular but really it’s an aspiration.

eh, I feel like alcohol bans were fashionable in the past. USSR did it, Finland did it...

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I think the issue is that you're trying to optimize for patient privacy, quality of health care service, and doctor productivity. The other commenter is trying to optimize for "doctor does not go to jail". The two goals are mutually exclusive in this case.

Go to jail? Signal, for example, provides end to end encryption for all uses. Whatsapp does not appear to do that: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/whatsapp-end-to-end-... It would seem like there would be HIPAA concerns with using a channel that does not guarantee privacy, and allows Big Corp to snoop on the content.

You seem to be forgetting who writes the regulations that regulate this stuff.

Less cynically:

I think signal is likely a superior choice from a privacy and usability perspective.

However, I imagine the hospital probably wants the chat logs to be an immutable part of my medical record. That's probably helpful in the case of bogus malpractice suits, for example.

In fairness, state-of-the-art practices store all this data in an enterprise storage array at the hospital (with a remote backup in a colo or something), not on hardware owned by Big Corp.

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Given this story, you’d expect Google to make a yearly report saying that they successfully threw X number of pedophiles off their services, and the FBI convicted Y% of them. You’d think it would be something they and the government would love to crow about. But they don’t. Why?

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Perhaps switch to signal or telegram? Some service that guarantees confidentiality.

Whatsapp and Signal are e2e encrypted. Telegram isn't.

telegram is just not by default

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What is not explained in the article is how the telehealth's services came in contact with Google's image-scanning to begin with. Is this not a huge breach of HIPAA? Telehealth is sort of done for if randos at bug tech can find there way into your sexual health records.

> Mark’s wife grabbed her husband’s phone and texted a few high-quality close-ups of their son’s groin area to her iPhone so she could upload them to the health care provider’s messaging system. It sounds like it was probably the texting (maybe via the Google Messages app?) that got the images flagged, rather than the telehealth system.

> When Mark’s and Cassio’s photos were automatically uploaded from their phones to Google’s servers, this technology flagged them. Jon Callas of the E.F.F. called the scanning intrusive, saying a family photo album on someone’s personal device should be a “private sphere.” (A Google spokeswoman said the company scans only when an “affirmative action” is taken by a user; that includes when the user’s phone backs up photos to the company’s cloud.)

I assume it was triggered when the photos were backed up to Google Photos based on the above quote.

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I don't think it's quite as strict as you're making it out to be. I was in a park in Manhattan last week, which had a bunch of big sprinklers for kids to run through. No one was naked in the sprinkler, but some parents helped their children change in/out of their bathing suits out in the open. (Then again, I only remember this because I was a tad surprised by it.)

in japan, children play a game called Kancho, where they put their index fingers together and try to insert it into the anus of their unsuspecting friend. in america, you could destroy someone's life over that. (possibly even multiple lives)

My japanophile colleague called it the "Konoha One Thousand Years of Death", apparently it's from a ninja TV show.

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Especially because you can take photos with someone's phone without locking it. All you need is brief physical access to the phone.

This looks easy critical attack method I've never come up with. Very realistic CGI shown on tablet could be used for that, instead of real CSAM.

Why not both? Use the phone to take a picture of real CSAM.
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