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I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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There's a lot of criticism in the comments here, some of it feels very negative. I can imagine reading it as the OP is quite demoralising. Personally I think what the OP has achieved is very impressive. The design looks beautiful, and there's a very "Apple-esque" feel to the website. I love that sustainability has been made a requirement as part of the design. I think some of the other comments give good feedback abo…

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Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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I configured all my programmable keyboards to map Capslock to Fn and use Fn+WASD for cursors keys and Fn+Q for Home and Fn+E for End, so I think that dedicated keys are unnecessary. I cannot imagine using anything else anymore because it is so insanely convenient to press and hold down Capslock with my pinky finger and browse around text extremely fast. All my keyboards also map Fn+1 to copy and Fn+2 to insert text w…

But how do you press "shift+home" or "shift+pg up" to select a line or page? I tried this on Asus laptop 10 years ago, and IIRC it didn't work. Another combo I use sometimes is "ctrl+shift+home/end" to select the text from cursor position to the very beginning/end.

Combinations with 3 or more keys get a bit tricky but you get used to it quickly since the modifier keys are near each other and you usually have 3 fingers available for them.

The keyboard needs to be programmable either by it's built-in firmware or by flashing a custom firmware like ZMK in the OP.

Autohotkey can do something like this for every keyboard on Windows but it's not as seamless as a firmware solution. Plus the firmware solution works on every computer you plug your keyboard into be ause it's just a remapping of the keys, not a driver hack.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Out of curiosity why did you use Chinese and not the more popular German (Cherry MX) switches considering the rest of the board was assembled in the UK? Really cool keyboard though, looks great!

The Kailh low profile switches are better than the Cherry low profile switches.

Good to know. How would you describe the difference?

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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^ agree, I mean did the OP expect to make a polarizing product like the keyboard without some criticism? also, this thread is a gold mine of insight they can use to refine their product for the market. ie take off the stupid orange knob and hide the made in the uk nonsense and stop naming the product like a mars bound space rocket

“The Market” isn’t “readers of Hacker News.” It’s part of the market, but it would be foolish to let critiques here drive decisions. If we listened to Hacker News Dropbox potentially wouldn’t have been a thing.

This is one product that I think HN might be "the market" (or at least a huge chunk of it).

The key IMHO is to sort through the comments/critiques and dismiss the overly negative grumpy ones from the people who crap on everything, but hone in on the ones that have a ring of truth to them. Those should be used to drive serious thought about improvements. At least, that's what I would do.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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This looks fantastic! A thought-experiment that may interest you coming from someone (me) who already has happily spent several hundreds of dollars on mechanical keyboards and uses them every single day: Let's imagine the keyboard could be bought today as-is with a simple "Buy Now" button and price was no concern. The two main reasons I would _still_ hesitate to hit that button are: 1. I absolutely and undoubtedly ne…

> 2. I wish there was a 'blank' version with zero typography anywhere. Just all black. I touch-type and have not looked at my keyboard in 15 years. If you don't look at it, why do you care if it has typography? (that's an honest question, not a rhetorical point dressed up as a question)

I'm French and have my keyboard setup to French, but I use a German keyboard that I bought used for dirt cheap. I touch type so I usually don't look at it, but in general it would be better if it was completely blank instead of having some keys right and some wrong.

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PCB designer of the board here - The second switch can toggle USB/Bluetooth profile 1/Bluetooth profile 2 (3 pos slider), but the board runs the open source ZMK firmware and you can reconfigure it however you want. Auto-switching between BT and USB is not used on the current firmware (as it would make the USB slider pos quite useless), but the firmware can absolutely do it. EDIT: You could for example reconfigure the…

If It's ZMK, does this mean I could flash in a new configuration to Dvorak? (I know, Dvorak is a bad habit. I'm trying to quit. Really.) One bit that I find helpful is that the keycaps are all the same height/angle so that I can rearrange them... hopefully..

Sure thing. We'll release the original firmware configuration alongside with the board, so changing the keymap and recompiling a new firmware wouldn't be a big deal, flashing is easy over USB (and once ZMK studio is ready, you will even be able to live-remap over USB/BT without a recompile/reflash).

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Thanks, I'm so happy you — and lots of others — like what I've been working on. It means a lot, it's very fulfilling. I don't find the criticism demoralising. Quite the opposite, it means people are engaged, which I love. I tried to create a product with a strong design and as a result it's quite divisive. That's okay. Good, even. I put this thing up on the internet and asked for peoples opinions... and that's what I…

I love it, from what I see. I will definitely be an early buyer (US version...). I wish we could all have a real conversation about key layouts, though. The layout with the less reachable left shift and right enter/return is just dumb. It's like putting the door lock control on the outside of your car door so you have to roll the window down to reach out and unlock the door. In place of where the door lock belongs, t…

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Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Looks really nice BUT: There's a split between what people online post pics of on fancy desktop setups and what people prefer to use as their daily driver. Minimal keyboards are for minimalists, and people who like to show of their setups. Just like desktop vanity posts typically have speakers, yet everyone uses headphones. Anecdotally there was a post recently on some PC subreddit asking what keyboard people preferr…

I've done product research on this when I was considering doing a project like this keyboard, and the results were very conclusive: 100% keyboards are pretty niche. The audience for that project, like this one, was basically high end consumers. The majority of respondents used a laptop keyboard most of the time. For those who had an external keyboard, 100% was behind 60%, 65%, and TKL. A very large portion of those who said they had a 100% noted that they don't use their numpad in a followup question. Obviously my sample probably had some biases toward keyboard enthusiasts, but that's the target audience for this sort of thing! If you went true general public I think you'd find that an overwhelming majority just use a laptop keyboard, or whatever their company gave them without caring about layout.

My take? 100%s are absolutely crucial for a very small slice of people. They are made to seem more popular than they are because they are the "safest" layout. Someone who needs a 100% can't use a 60%. Someone who prefers 60% can totally use a 100%. So companies make/give out 100%s, and they end up getting used a lot because of that.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Really wish people remembered to put USB pass-through on their keyboards though. If I need a small form factor keyboard, it's gonna be a good bet the number of USB ports available is at a premium and chaining will make life so much better. Depending on what I'm doing, I'm going to need the zero latency of a cable (like using my keyboard with FL studio to make some music, for which Bluetooth latency -even the latest g…

A good point, but doesn't really apply to a bluetooth keyboard.

It does when it's also possible to use as a corded keyboard though. I'm not going to use Bluetooth if I have the option to cable (in part because "why would I use wireless when I don't need to" but mostly because I'm also going to use it as a fake piano and even the latest generation of Bluetooth still has unacceptably high latency for virtual instrument feedback)
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