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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by srcreigh »

DrScientist wrote: post #493
srcreigh wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they don't get applied across the board. As much as TikTok is a US national security risk, Google/Meta massively gathering data about citizens of other countries is a US national security asset . The problem with privacy law is that some foreign powers won't abide by the laws. It's not unlike violence- a country can try to make a global law saying "Nobody is allowed to have a military", but if they actually…

> Google/Meta massively gathering data about citizens of other countries is a national security asset. Depends which nation you are in right? The world isn't split into two: US or China.

Updated my comment. I'm Canadian. I'm sure in some ways US national security assets benefit certain other countries too, but I'm not sure specifically what that might be.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by FpUser »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #463
diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #372

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Perhaps it would be better if nobody was the hegemon eh?

multipolar worlds have not worked well in the past. As an American, I would love for the EU to get more unified and take the reins, but in the mean time, a US hegemon is required for global stability

>"US hegemon is required for global stability"

This is laughable. The US initiated way too many wars and other offensive / disruptive actions. If you call this stability then I have a bridge to sell. The only stability it provides is it's own. Well maybe some to the allies.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by lazide »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

As far as the gov’t is concerned, when it’s then doing it, it’s ‘for our own good’. when it’s another gov’t doing it, it’s a national security risk.

Which shouldn’t be too big of a surprise I guess, especially since ‘national security risk’ almost always means ‘threat to gov’t security in practice’.

That won’t change unless there is some kind of disaster that makes it untenable. I mean, just look at Nuclear proliferation for a really clear example.

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Post by arroz »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #430
Consultant32452 wrote: post #418

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Okay, let's assume there's total economic equality between Americans and Chinese. In China if you're the wrong religion they put your men in prison camps and assign a rapist to sleep in bed with your women and indoctrinate them into the communist party. If you are in prison, China will murder you and sell your organs. In China the labor conditions are so bad they have to install "suicide nets" in factories because so…

It's pointless to get into a competition for who's worst. I disagree at least partially on each one of your points and could reply with something equally bad or worse that's happening right now in the US, but I won't as we're talking about economics, not unsourced genocide claims.

China is rich North Korea. Even if China were much richer than the US, it would be better to live in the US.

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Post by lazide »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #489
tablespoon wrote: post #474

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> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

That's... not a great analogy. I trust my wife a lot more than I trust Mark Zuckerberg (or Xi Jinping).

Statistically, (and not knowing your wife), you’re a lot more likely to get sent to the poor house because of your wife than Mark Zuckerberg.

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Post by butlerm »

Shreedinger wrote: post #494

1. On reading the article it seems like Tik Tok VP, Head of Public Policy has reasonably refuted all allegations with satisfactory explanation. 2. This comes conveniently at a time when Tik Tok is poised to overtake Google for search traffic in 18 to 30 age group. As usual, the jokes on the public. No one gives a flying fuck about our privacy.

Considering that TikTok is a government controlled corporation (and all businesses in China effectively are) I don't know why anyone should be particularly inclined to trust their representations on this matter if they cannot be independently verified. It is in China's national security interest to deny the existence of any of this kind of data collection and analysis, especially in China.

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Post by thiagoharry »

tablespoon wrote: post #474
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

> The differentiator here is national security,

Which means that all countries other than the US also should be banning Facebook, and most US companies. As Snowden showed, most of them have a history of wire fraud.

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Post by wandernotlost »

ChrisLomont wrote: post #239
olalonde wrote: post #200

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First, this ignores that the USA benefits tremendously from trading with other countries, most of all with China. If this mindset was applied universally, the USA (and the world) would be worse off. It also ignores that treating countries as though they are enemies can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It can increase the threat rather than decrease it. Second, it's not necessarily in one's best interest to live in…

> The USA ranks 26th for median wealth Wealth is also a function of age - older people tend to have more - and that ranking is not normalized by such extraneous factors. The US is number 2 by median income, and number 1 for median disposable income, both of which are pretty important, especially to younger people that want cash flow to enjoy life.

The US is way down the list at 120 for income equality, worse than most of the "developed world". That median hides a lot in a country of over 320 million.

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/gini-index-coef...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by rishav_sharan »

tablespoon wrote: post #474
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

Except the "wife" here also has a habit of stealing from the family and of wire fraud.
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