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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by NonNefarious »

gonzo41 wrote: post #300
TrueGeek wrote: post #288

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Even The Guardian couldn't help but link to the TikTok channel, point out when it was posted so you could find it easier, and post a screenshot of the video with the woman in it even though it's an article all about how she didn't want to be on camera. They're going to get tons of views!

'Journalists' dont' give a shit about anyone. Her concerns are mute, now they guardian gets to talk about the meta issue. The tiktok was exploitative, the guardian article was likewise exploitative. They could have not linked to the channel and also just written a description of the tiktok. Choices were may, all of them to exploit that women directly or indirectly by piling onto the hype.

"Her concerns are mute"

Are concerns themselves normally able to talk?

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Post by RulerOf »

o_1 wrote: post #253
phpisthebest wrote: post #78

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Social Media has largely exposed the levels of narcissism embedded in a large number of human's psychological makeup , Selfies, clout chasing and virtue signalling are ever increasing forms of narcissism that really has destroyed the internet IMO

I agree, I think the internet took all the trash content over. Reality Shows/MTV to Tick Tok. We really better filters trash content. Kind of the reason most people are here on HN.

>We really better filters trash content.

I can see it now, "Show HN: Introducing InstaGavage, force-feed all the bullshit from your socials to this neural network and let it throw out the trash."

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Post by strogonoff »

nkozyra wrote: post #190
robg wrote: post #175

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Criminal and civil lawsuits are separable.

> Criminal and civil lawsuits are separable. Of course, you can sue for literally anything, but what damages would they claim?

IANAL but similarly if someone steals your bicycle/car/camera while you’re not using it and then brings it back in pristine condition, what damages would you claim?

It’s more like “this is my property, I make it available to public under some conditions, this guy violates that condition”.

That said, the reality is that property owners and adjacent people often benefits from property being featured in a viral video. Unless US adopts similar restrictions as South Korea on photographing strangers, I guess these cases will keep happening.

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Post by gambiting »

b112 wrote: post #430
Mordisquitos wrote: post #287

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> Random acts of kindness DO happen, but are usually not captured on video. Indeed. In fact, when the act is intentionally captured on video by its performer, not only is it already very debatable that it is an act of "kindness"... but it is also obviously NOT "random"! (For the colloquial meaning of "random" of course)

I recall a few years back, I was going to visit someone, and bought flowers. Before I left, plans changed, so now I was in the mall parking lot, and had (to me) useless flowers. In the parking lot, I saw an older woman sitting in her car. I walked up to her, proclaimed "surprise, flowers!", which she took, and I walked away. It is sad to think that these days, it almost makes more sense to just throw them away, inste…

The difference is that you didn't use the opportunity to promote your brand on social media, nor did you trick her into holding the flowers for you just to disappear. I think the reaction would have been completely different if he did actually present those as a gift.

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Post by anotherman554 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #100
nkozyra wrote: post #84

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I don't think there's much case for a lawsuit. The mall has a right to kick you out for doing so but once it's done there's not much legal recourse in the U.S.

In the US you'd need permission to film the location, and without a release you could be stopped from using the video commercially (social media can count as commercial use if the uploader profits from views) This can cover public places too, some localities require a permit to film a public place for commercial use.

I think the issue with getting a release is it shields you from litigation. It doesn't necessarily mean you'd lose the litigation if you didn't get the release, but a business is not going to want to take the risk they'd have litigation hanging over their head preventing the exploitation of the intellectual property asset.

A journalist presumably isn't going to be getting permission to film, they are going to show up to where the news is and film.

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Post by dwringer »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #476
admax88qqq wrote: post #245

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It's interesting how you're complaining about so much content being staged. I much prefer that this type of content is staged. The alternative appears to be harassing random strangers like the case in the article. With staged content the only victim is the duped audience who can always just not watch TikTok.

I like watching dash cam videos. I would hate to see a staged one, and would complain loudly about it not being real. That doesn't mean I want more accidents and near-accidents, it means anyone faking a dash cam video should not submit anything at all. If you want to do a skit, make a skit.

This reminds me of the film Nightcrawler.

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Post by t_mann »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #40

The reason this act breaks a moral boundary is that it subverts a principle of "ends" [1]. A genuine random act of kindness cannot occur if it's being filmed. Filming the act turns it into a virtue display. It also turns the subject into an object of utility, a means and not and end in themself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ends

Beautifully said.

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Post by sva_ »

naillo wrote: post #181
sva_ wrote: post #176

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With the amount of beggars in cities, I already highly distrust anyone who comes up to me to speak to me. 99 out of 100 times it is someone who tries to somehow enrich themselves.

Please be more empathetic to people who beg for money.

Glancing over my comment again, I can see it appearing fairly heartless, if you have the archetypal image of a homeless guy who's laying at the side of the road in your head.

But I don't even mean those or have that much of an issue with them (there aren't many of those here.)

What I mainly had in mind is a phenomenon that may not be very common outside my country (idk). I live in a country with social healthcare and government welfare for those who have no work. The people who are running from person to person in the streets begging for money aren't really needy. They most likely already collect welfare from the government, and they additionally beg as they don't want to work, and the welfare office can't deduct that money from what they get, since it isn't documented.

These are healthy looking young guys in their mid-20s or so, who are completely able-bodied, well dressed, and they're begging as if it is their fulltime job. It's apparently pretty lucrative, else there wouldn't so many of them be doing it.

They've recently become a lot more brazen in their tactics and will verbally assault and sometimes even follow you around for not giving them anything. They ask for money for food as they claim to be hungry, but when you offer to buy them some food they get angry with you as well.

These people aren't needy, and there are so many of them now that I've grown so tired of it that I first started completely avoiding downtown, and ultimately also moved somewhere else (there were other reasons of course.)

I don't have any problem helping someone who's really down on their luck (and you can usually see it pretty easily), but I'd never give money, always offer to buy them food instead. I also point them towards various places they can go to get food/shelter/help.

I'm angry at those who abuse the goodwill of people because they've turned that city I loved so much into a place where everybody always tries to quickly get-in-and-out, never look someone into their eyes, because that might prompt them to try to manipulate you into giving them money, and just generally turned downtown into a place where everyone constantly wants to rush through and avoid any contact with others.

I'm not just blaming those beggars, I also blame the people who give them money. People need to stop falling for this, it turns cities into shit.

Anyways, enough ranting for tonight...

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Post by Baeocystin »

RulerOf wrote: post #512
o_1 wrote: post #253

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I agree, I think the internet took all the trash content over. Reality Shows/MTV to Tick Tok. We really better filters trash content. Kind of the reason most people are here on HN.

>We really better filters trash content. I can see it now, "Show HN: Introducing InstaGavage, force-feed all the bullshit from your socials to this neural network and let it throw out the trash."

I wonder how long it would take to just evolve | /dev/null.
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