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Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by madaxe_again »

xvilka wrote: post #345
_Microft wrote: post #7

The maritime coverage map shows coastal coverage around countries with inland coverage right now, i.e. they are bouncing the connection via one of their satellites to a nearby groundstation. Starting in Q4/2022 they want to cover mid-latitudes around the globe. That might mean that they plan to enable inter-satellite links then? (This is a bit surprising - on one hand, this step extends coverage towards higher and lo…

Will constellation completion and intersatellite links expand the reach to polar areas as well? It would be a game changer for Arctic and Antarctic.

If only - it doesn’t appear so. Connectivity in the Antarctic is laughable - McMurdo has 17Mbps iirc, and it flakes out not infrequently, Amundsen-Scott is “when a satellite is visible”, and being on a ship in the polar regions is typically even worse, as more often than not you’re dealing with crappy weather and a rolling vessel, and a poor and intermittent iridium signal.

It also all costs an absolute fortune - iridium is about $1000/mo for 100Mb, and $10 for each additional Mb - and there are surcharges for use in polar regions.

Musk could probably bankroll all of starlink just by serving the scientific communities in Antarctica.

Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by infogulch »

notahacker wrote: post #247
infogulch wrote: post #170

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Honest Pricing/Licensing Plans Personal | Business | Enterprise $5/user/month | $8/user/month | $8/user/month | | + $200/hour custom license business development rate Features | Features++ | Features++

I take it you haven't sold to enterprise customers...

It's clearly a joke. Perhaps you've sold to too many enterprise customers?

Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by notahacker »

infogulch wrote: post #512
notahacker wrote: post #247

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I take it you haven't sold to enterprise customers...

It's clearly a joke. Perhaps you've sold to too many enterprise customers?

> Perhaps you've sold to too many enterprise customers?

Or been on HN too long :)

Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by cycomanic »

sneak wrote: post #312
walrus01 wrote: post #307

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highly unlikely, the per day cost of operating a medium sized ship in an offshore environment with actual human staffing, fuel, maintenance, purchase or lease cost of the ship itself is extreme. the one thing any satellite operator absolutely does not want is absurd ongoing monthly recurring costs to run their earth stations.

They are charging $5k USD per month per customer for this per TFA. Depending on demand (and 350Mbps downlink can generate a lot of demand) that may still be feasible.

Cargoships have operation costs in the 10s to 100s of thousands per h. Sure you could bring that down for what's required here, but you'd still sink a lot of money into these ships. How many maritime subscribers would there be?

Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by wpietri »

bobsmooth wrote: post #386
wpietri wrote: post #385

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There's a difference between someone that promises the world and never delivers and someone that promises the world and occasionally delivers.

I don't think I said there wasn't a difference. There are always differences.

But I do stand by my point that you can't put much stock in Musk's claims. Which, now that people are becoming more aware of it, makes him less and less likely to deliver anything major again.

As an example, take a look at his failed purchase of Twitter. He wasted a ton of his time and caused a lot of damage to Twitter, its employees, and his own reputation. You can bet that any future business partners, even the ones willing to ignore his behavior on Twitter, are going to take it as a cautionary tale.

Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by wpietri »

wumpus wrote: post #392
wpietri wrote: post #385

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> Your theory is that we can only call somebody a liar if 100% of their statements turn out to be false? No, but thanks for twisting my words.

That was my best interpretation of your point. If you'd like to clarify it, I'm still here.

Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by JoshCole »

oittaa wrote: post #473
JoshCole wrote: post #470

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Your source is a liar. Some examples: - After lying about SpaceX launch costs, he later posts screenshots of articles. One of those articles had the true launch costs. The image was photoshopped to remove this launch cost. - When posting pricing information for competitor services, he uses their lowest cost tiers for their highest cost service provision. He also falsely implies that SpaceX and other satellite provide…

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plq is a messaging geek, a bike mechanic, and a human. They aren't an idiot and after my message they did not defend their source.

Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by grecy »

shaklee3 wrote: post #510
grecy wrote: post #508

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How much are spaceX paying for a launch? How much does Immarsat of Iridium pay for a launch?

SpaceX sells a launch to customers for $50-70M. they make an estimated 10-30% profit, depending on your source and whether the rocket is reused. that is nowhere near an order of magnitude.

Are SpaceX selling launches to Immarsat and Iridium?

Who are they buying launches from? How much are they paying for those launches?

Re: Starlink Maritime

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Post by shaklee3 »

grecy wrote: post #519
shaklee3 wrote: post #510

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SpaceX sells a launch to customers for $50-70M. they make an estimated 10-30% profit, depending on your source and whether the rocket is reused. that is nowhere near an order of magnitude.

Are SpaceX selling launches to Immarsat and Iridium? Who are they buying launches from? How much are they paying for those launches?

yes, SpaceX sells launches to anyone who will buy them since it's their only profitable business at the moment. this is why viasat is using them to launch this year or next. I just gave you the cost, and it's public on their website too.
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