Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable • Hacker News Board

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by m463 » Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 4:01 AM UTC

deergomoo wrote: post #453

nickjj wrote: post #134

Somehow I'm not surprised. A few days ago[0] I was writing a Jira ticket after hitting the "Create" button and I wrote the description (the body of the ticket) for ~30 minutes. I switched the ticket type from A to B (no epics involved) and it wiped out the entire description. All I did was select a different item in a select drop down box provided by the form's UI. There was no warning it would clear the description…

Atlassian’s WYSIWYG editors are some of the buggiest bits of UI I’ve ever had the misfortune of using. Writing anything in Jira or Confluence is an exercise in misery. Even basic stuff like hyperlinks often go wrong.

I somewhat agree. For me the pain point is that confluence randomly loses the connection with the editor.

As far as confluence, or just about every web tool I've used that has text areas (slack, etc) - I really wish that would be handled over to the browser.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by nashadelic » Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 7:43 AM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #134

Somehow I'm not surprised. A few days ago[0] I was writing a Jira ticket after hitting the "Create" button and I wrote the description (the body of the ticket) for ~30 minutes. I switched the ticket type from A to B (no epics involved) and it wiped out the entire description. All I did was select a different item in a select drop down box provided by the form's UI. There was no warning it would clear the description…

Sounds like an opportunity to create a chrome add-on that can save any field data. I believe most session managers do that but if the field is wiped out, so is the cache.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by nashadelic » Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 7:50 AM UTC

muhaaa wrote: post #398

gshulegaard wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be confusing upselling and cross selling with network effects. Upsell is when you convince a customer to purchase additional service, like offering different tiers of subscriptions. Cross selling is where you sell adjacent services related to (and that possibly integrate with) the original service. Network effects are where the direct value of a product grows simply because the number of users incre…

I disagree. A network effect does not need to be inherent to the product / service itself. It can originate from other sources. What is the network effect of eBay? As a seller I do not care how many other sellers are there. But I care how many buyers are there. For a buyer it's the reverse. Buyers attract sellers and vice versa. That's a network effect too. For Atlassian it's similar. Jira customer attract Jira consu…

Ebay has so many sellers because it has so many buyers; it has so many buyers because it has so many sellers.

That’s the network effect

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by wronglyprepaid » Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 9:02 AM UTC

friendzis wrote: post #493

wronglyprepaid wrote: post #414

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I hate how when people say scrum they really mean something which is not well defined and you end up with some weird system that only some "scrum master" understands and that they seem to be making up as they go along.

Scrum is mostly defined. The problem with scrum is that while agile (in general, not only software dev) is a methodology (a set of practices and tools) to be applied in a particular context, scrum takes those agile methods, packages into a behemoth with a very particular workflow and sells that instead of typical "consulting" - deployment of tools to control the process. In practice scrum is extremely unagile, becaus…

> Scrum is mostly defined.

Then cite the definition? If you will cite the https://scrumguides.org/ - I have yet to work in any team that uses scrum that follows this even slightly.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by steveBK123 » Tue, Jul 05, 2022, 2:26 PM UTC

astrange wrote: post #482

steveBK123 wrote: post #421

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Sometimes I think software engineers are the only people passive enough to allow ourselves to be managed by agile tyrants. Most other industries you’d probably have the workers unionize or murder the agile coaches, lol.

Academics have let themselves get managed by a gigantic administrative class, and unlike engineers, they barely even get paid for it.

Yes but with the chance at a job-for-life guarantee and possibly months off per year.

My wife & I have a couple academic friends and they make 1/4 our income probably, but they are unfireable & they also just took off for another 6 weeks stay in southern Europe at a family home this summer .. so there's that.

Guaranteed income & time flexibility are hard to measure in absolute dollars.

My wife & I are on the other hand on our 5th/6th job in our almost 20 year careers, never having had more than 2.5 weeks off consecutively. The hustle now is maximizing the dollars and building some alternative income streams so we can start to wind down the intensity in maybe 10 years and fully exit workforce in 20 years?