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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Their answer is this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/microsoft-will-boost... They will need to get developers up to speed porting their apps to ARM before they are even in a position to re-boot their Windows ARM strategy. But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive.

As far as I can tell, the ARM hardware linked is vastly inferior to the current M1 hardware, let alone M2. > But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive. And during this time Apple is going to release M2 Pro/Max, M3, etc. I just have a hard time seeing how Intel/AMD catchup in the laptop space.

Well fabs used to be hugely important, not only did each generation halve in linear size (4x in transistors per area), but each shrink was a big win on clock speed and power use. This revisions happened often, around 18 months.

These days the shrinks are smaller, i.e. 5nm -> 4nm -> 3nm, but each gen lasts longer, and provides very modest improvements in power and clock speed. They are also coming out in ever slower release cycles.

So now the competition has more time to catch up, and less of a disadvantage of they are a process behind. TSMC is currently leading, Apple, Nvidia, AMD, and others are bidding for the latest/greatest, while Samsung and Intel try to close the gap with their fabs.

Apple has an advantage of doing several generations in phones/tablets before bringing out the M1. Additionally they have an architecture license, so they do custom cores, not just what ARM is offering. This allowed them to tune their designs, use engineers from various companies they acquired to tune their chips, and get rid of the cruft, like 32 bit compatibility.

With all that said I expect Apples the perf/watt advantage to decrease over time. What does seem somewhat unique is they have build in a relatively small, power efficient, and inexpensive package (compared to similar functionality) 128, 256, 512, and 1024 bit wide memory interfaces. Sure you could build a dual socket Epyc with 16 dimms and likely burns north of 100s of watts and takes at least 1 rack unit, or you could buy a mbp m1 max. To match the M1 ultra you'd have to switch to some exotic CPUs that use HBM and sold by companies that typically send 3-6 sales people in suites before revealing their prices.

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Apple A4 (2010) vs A5 (2011) - CPU: 100% faster - GPU: 600% faster Apple M1 (2020) vs M2 (2022) - CPU: 18% faster - GPU: 35% faster Diminishing returns.

That's the same for all chip makers. It's the end of Moore's law that's bringing the diminishing returns, as you probably know.

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Can someone tell me how big of a difference in performance the missing fan on the air will make against the pro 13”?

None, unless you’re in a warm room and have a long compile job. For that case, which only happened once to me, I just put my Macbook on the cold balcony.

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No, you can't. There are no dark patterns, ads, or spam in macOS. The worst you could say is that it has "terrible UX." I would then respond: compared to what? In my view, the only desktop-grade OS I prefer over the modern Mac is MacOS 9. It was much easier to use and understand from top to bottom. On the other hand, it lacked a lot of features I've come to take for granted (pre-emptive multitasking, multithreading,…

There are plenty of dark patterns in macOS. For example, macOS will trick users into thinking that the apps they want to use are either broken or malicious if developers didn't pay Apple $100 a year and Notarize apps. macOS has increasingly become a platform to sell iCloud subscriptions, as well.

No "dark" patterns he says. Even after all the revelations, iFads just keep mindlessly worship Crapple. When in reality:

https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf

"iOS sends the MAC addresses of nearby devices, e.g. other handsets and the home gateway, to Apple together with their GPS location. Users have no opt out from this and currently there are few, if any, realistic options for preventing this data sharing."

Power corrupts and when one company wields too much of it, shit will hit the fan.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Does this mean that a M2 Max could do 128gb RAM? That opens up some use cases beyond the 64gb. My world has pretty much no improvement between 32gb and 128gb, but I'm currently on a 64gb machine.

It would mean 96GB. They increased from 2 memory channels per M1 to 3 memory channels per M2.

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I'm currently on my first and last XPS, a 9570. I really wanted to love it, but there's just too much about it that is a complete disaster, particularly around power management, wake behaviour, and thermals. I know I haven't exactly babied it, what with it having been plugged in in my home office for basically two straight years during the pandemic, but the battery is shot at this point— getting barely an hour of lif…

I've had the same experience with my XPS 9560. Past few years I've had "TPM device is not detected"[1] issues. Tried all the different solutions and nothings fixed it. Dell have never addressed it with a BIOS update. I don't want to go back to OS X, but its hard to find good build quality and a high res screen. Also, my battery was terrible after a couple of years. I had it plugged in as well. I bought a replacement…

I had the same issue, for me updating the TPM firmware solved the issue (but it is convoluted)

https://superuser.com/questions/1668861/alert-tpm-device-is-...

My guess is that Dell didn't update the TPM firware, my guess is this breaks some keys so can't be done automatically and a BIOS update at some point then screws up the handshake with the older TPM firmware unless the laptop is fully powered off.

But I'm not a huge fan of dell hardware.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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The only downside is now magsafe over usb-c :( unless you can charge with both on new macs?

Why is that a downside? Magsafe was one of the best things about the older, early-2010's Macbooks.

Magsafe is fine; having to travel with a separate charging block is terrible. The USB-C consolidation has been awesome for people like me who travel frequently- my phone, external battery, M1 Air, headphones, Nintendo Switch... all charge over USB-C, so I only have to travel with a single charger. It's wonderful

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No chance unfortunately. Windows 11 has pop up "notifications" that are basically ads all over. Unnecessarily hard to cleanup / customize in a biz setting. If we could deploy Apple products in a business environment we would in a heartbeat. But Microsoft just is better here currently on a lot of fronts - the last time I chased my tail here it didn't pay off. If Apple wants to compete for the business market I think t…

Provide a service similar to Active Directory? Absolutely, that's what is needed from Apple, Red Hat, Canonical, etc. Depend in any way on a Google Account for anything critical? That's something I oppose with all my will.

In a business context a google account requirement would be fine. Microsoft is basically going there to get folks to move AD into the Azure cloud. We're feeling a ton of a pressure towards that, and entitlements for Office etc are being delivered that way (so you end up with a mini AD instance in cloud already).

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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How does the M2 compare to Intel's offerings?

You get a comparable performance at 15W with M2 to Intel at 55W.

Intel is not significantly faster, just more power hungry. That’s the mean difference in day to day usage.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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I got a late model MBP 16" i9. Zoom, Teams video confs, backups, and anything else even mildly intensive and it would ramp up to impressively loud levels, enough for people in the next room to ask what the noise was.

I had a laptop that did that (got people noticing), I went to IT a few times to tell them that something was wrong with my laptop, as colleagues' were a bit quieter. I wish that I'd have been more firm with getting a replacement. I now have tinnitus after a year of a really loud laptop. I'm in my early 30s. I can't even tolerate my desktop with relatively quiet fans. One day in the office, I shutdown my laptop for th…

come on now... damage your ear from a laptop fan? can't even damage your ear from the crap speakers laptops come with let alone a fan...
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