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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

I hear some people call themselves professionals and don't even use gold-plated HDMI cables.

Why use HDMI when there is USB-C or Thunderbolt? As far as I know 4k@60hz is max on HDMI. You are optimising the wrong thing here.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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> Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux. And the X1 Fold is a technical marvel (working on Linux support right now, if I'm successful it may become my next toy device to try to use Linux on as a daily driver) > Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just…

> Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux. The features are great but my complaint was about quality control. My T460s has had every single part but the chassis replaced, some multiple times, and still failed. A new T14s had to have the keyboard replaced because it randomly missed keystrokes. It then started having the screen randomly start flickering after resume. A new X1, top of the…

The sense I'm getting is that my 2014 T450s was one of the last few "acceptable" ThinkPads.

If I need a new laptop, it will be a Framework.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

While I prefer my personal machines to have 1440p or 4k resolutions, I'm perfectly happy with my work PC's 1080p screen for development and email. I'm hardly watching videos or gaming on that machine, and I don't find that fonts are noticeably sharper at the size that I prefer them on a 15" laptop display.

You find the screen real estate sufficient? I hate developing on a small screen (especially for the web).

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

That's pointless gatekeeping. Having the most expensive pencil doesn't make you draw better. For most professionals in most fields, more than 1080p is a waste of energy.

Good tooling improves the artists workflow and results in most cases.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I've tried them, but they felt so clumsy to me that I don't see how I could ever be a convert. Trackpads, at least on Macs, feel precise and intuitive; I even use one on the desktop (unless I'm gaming). I suppose a trackpoint might be useful if you really want your hands never to leave your keyboard, but generally I'm either editing text with emacs keybindings (where I don't have to use the mouse), or else I'm in a m…

>>they felt so clumsy to me that I don't see how I could ever be a convert. They do have a learning curve; but FWIW, I feel exact the opposite - I can achieve both lightning fast movement, AND pixel-perfect precision with the trackpoint (the latter I have never managed to consistently achieve on a trackpad). (Note, for me, it's never a "Trackpoint vs Mouse". I'll use mouse 100% of the time when at my desk. When not a…

> (the latter I have never managed to consistently achieve on a trackpad).

Ever try an Apple trackpad?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Any chance of 15”-16” in near future?

I wondered this too, but they will need a way to be able to plug the same Mainboard into a new chassis such that the Expansion Cards work correctly, or else design a new Mainboard with increased size (or I guess longer Expansion Cards, but that seems silly).

Of course (?) they need to build a larger motherboard. I'd be really tempted to buy a 15" model especially with a touchpad with 3 hardware buttons (I'm not considering any laptop without them) and a keyboard without numberpad (very important but a little less than the hw buttons.)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

Does suspend work reliably? Is battery life ok? Does the trackpad suck? I’m tempted but every time I’ve tried so far to leave Mac hardware I regret it - seems even harder now with M1 performance. Still, the framework laptop is super cool. Might be worth trying anyway.

Yeah it's hard to beat just running linux in a VM on a Mac, especially with Mac's new hardware. Framework's modularity is probably the most compelling alternate value proposition, though.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Does suspend work reliably? Is battery life ok? Does the trackpad suck? I’m tempted but every time I’ve tried so far to leave Mac hardware I regret it - seems even harder now with M1 performance. Still, the framework laptop is super cool. Might be worth trying anyway.

Yeah it's hard to beat just running linux in a VM on a Mac, especially with Mac's new hardware. Framework's modularity is probably the most compelling alternate value proposition, though.

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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

This is interesting: over the last several months, a friend has been running NixOS on a Framework and has been told by Framework employees that they can’t help him with Linux kernel issues because he’s using an unsupported OS and he’s also had lots of complaints about battery life and power management. I love the idea of the Framework, but it seems to suffer from all the issues that made me switch to MacBooks in the…

I wondered. It looked very Windowsy, and I'd guessed the Linux support was non-existent. Sounds like I'm going to stay away then.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I get six to eight hours on my Thinkpad, running Arch Linux. This did not happen out of the box. I think I got like two hours of battery life before I began tuning parameters. As usual, the Arch wiki is an excellent resource even if you're running a different distro: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management

That's impressive. I've done the equivalent of tuning everything and still wound up with battery lifetime half of what it should be on Windows. There's also specific programs that are really bad. Edge used to add 2-4 hours extra battery life when using my Surface to read PDFs. If I used Firefox, it was shorter by a very noticeable amount.

Does straight chrome have similar battery performance?
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