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Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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> Even people who don't care in the slightest about free software think anticheat is detestable. I don’t want to play a game with a bunch of cheaters, and I don’t want to have to filter down to “friends I know won’t cheat “ to play a game with others.

You could play with friends of friends of friends. We can make software for making these checks automatically and transitively, and automatically distribute responsibility when someone is found cheating.

How can you know someone is cheating if you don't have anti-cheat software? How can you tell it's not simply a very very good player?

Also what if I don't have friends who play the same game and I'm not interested in making any?

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>Some important packages are now distributed only through their non-freedom-respecting package system Wait, why is Ubuntu's package manager "not freedom respecting" but dpkg is? I thought snap was licensed under GPLv3. >It should be illegal to sell a computer that doesn't let users install software of their own from source code. Agreed, but this is such a low bar that even iOS meets it. Apple has never attempted to r…

> Agreed, but this is such a low bar that even iOS meets it. Apple has never attempted to restrict users' ability to compile and run source code. In fact, for almost a decade now the automatic signing in Xcode will sign and provision your compiled code, even if you didn't have a verified and paid-up developer account. The first two sentences are false. Apple only lets iOS run signed apps. Self-built apps must be sign…

If it was actually illegal to sell computers that refused to allow self-compiled code, like the RMS comment proposes, what I stated in my original comment would be Apple's legal defense. Said hypothetical law would just mandate that Apple continue handing out provisioning profiles for self-compiled code. It would not mandate that Apple not have a code signing or provisioning regime at all; you would need a different law to do that.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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From reading the other comments here, I understand that it's easy to pick something RMS said and say "Yeah, right..." But you have to keep in mind that RMS advocates the free software philosophy - the complete left end of the software spectrum - the white angel on your shoulder (not the red devil on the other). And while I find some of his points too radical to implement practically in my own situation, I believe it'…

I wouldn't describe the most extremist viewpoint on most matters as a white angel. Extremism tends to turn off some people from the cause when it looks somewhat irrational. Telling people they're bad and shouldn't play non-free videogames certainly isn't going to help things much. If you make someone who would otherwise be on your side feel guilty everytime they pick up a controller to unwind at the end of the day, t…

He's not saying people are bad, he's saying that using non-free software (his version of the term) is bad and bad for people. I don't think believe the individual is a bad person. Now I'm sure that he views people like Bill Gates as a bad person or Elon Musk (for locking down Tesla software intentionally) as they use their pulpits to lower people's personal freedom with software.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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> Now, more free games? It doesn't satisfy an urgent practical need, obviously... But the crucial thing is, free ones might make it easier for some people to say, 'Let's move off this non-free thing, and play a game that is free. So we can have the same pleasure, but without paying freedom as the price.'“ i'm sorry but i just can't read this without laughing. what does stallman think gamers are like? i can only imagi…

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Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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I can, even without having heard it, assure you that he wasn’t disparaging the technology of Zoom.

Not anymore than any other technology he disparages: it's proprietary and steals your information, which is all likely true. But if he is using open source free software as a replacement, shouldn't he have tested and fixed said software? Isn't that his entire shtick? High minded ideals are great and all but at the end of the day the software needs to work and on that day it did not...

> But if he is using open source free software as a replacement, shouldn't he have tested and fixed said software?

You can’t put the onus on him to personally write and fix all software he uses. He has written quite large amounts of software, so I’d say he’s done more than his share. He is still, if only tangentially, involved in some software, and you could perhaps reasonably criticize him if he were using, say, Emacs to do his presentation, and there was a bug preventing him.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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> Wait, why is Ubuntu's package manager "not freedom respecting" but dpkg is? I thought snap was licensed under GPLv3. The Snap server is what's closed-source. > I must point out that much of the people asking for sideloading are proprietary software vendors and not users. I know I'm just one data point, but I'm a user who wants sideloading. > Being as vehemently opposed to proprietary software as RMS is means that h…

Not having third-party Snap servers is unfortunate, and something we probably should be forking Snap to add support for. Still, calling it "not freedom respecting" seems a little hyperbolic given that the actual part that runs on your computer is very much FOSS. It's not any different from, say, reading a website whose server software is unreleased, but whose client-side JS is all Free Software. As for sideloading...…

> It's not any different from, say, reading a website whose server software is unreleased, but whose client-side JS is all Free Software.

I think that an important difference here is that there are FOSS Web servers that are compatible with your browser, but there's no FOSS servers compatible with your Snap client.

> Epic Games is still pushing their lawsuit from the perspective of a proprietary software vendor, just one that's willing to go rogue.

I agree that Epic is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't make what they want wrong.

> My point is that if you are extremely opposed to proprietary software in any form and for any reason whatsoever, then Apple's argument against sideloading is actually more reasonable, because it's the enemy eating itself.

I still don't see how, since the ban on sideloading affects FOSS apps too. Remember the old issue with VLC in the App Store?

> The whole owner override thing I mentioned above took a lot of time and effort, just so they could boil the secure boot frog less. It would have been far easier for them to just say "no, we're only allowing macOS to live in EL2".

If they didn't do the owner override thing originally, then a lot of people might have jumped ship and forced them to backtrack. By taking the approach they did, they'll later say something like "look, our telemetry says 95% of Macs still have SIP enabled, so now we're going to make it mandatory".

> The part that actually checks to make sure the code you're running was owner-signed needs to be both immutable from the perspective of malware and updatable in case of security bugs.

> The only complaint I have about the way Apple did this is that they really should Free their boot chain code and have verifiable builds for it.

But those requirements are fundamentally incompatible with freedom. I'd rather not have that sort of "security". And your complaint doesn't address the tivoization problem at all.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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>>> And while I find some of his points too radical to implement practically in my own situation, I believe it's very important that we have someone like him in the tech world. As a result, whenever there is a RMS talk, I listen to it. And each time I gain new and valuable perspectives about free software that help guide future decisions. Most people would probably find his views and recommendations as too extreme to…

> I never pay for anything on the Web, because I cannot pay anonymously. Wow. My first thought upon reading that is that seems quite extreme. Having said that, it just shows you how normalized it's become to track all transactions.

Right, the fact we transitioned into this new model, and it was really just him and a few others screaming about it is a little sad. It really doesn't seem easy to go back (to a more anonymous society) at this point either.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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> I don’t know, I’ve been laughing at him for 20 years and nothing bad ever happened because of that. How is it unwise? [anecdotal] luck has nothing to do with being wise. anyway, I think unwise in this context means that RMS has been right more times than he's been wrong. And very few of those laughing at him have ever asked for forgiveness for laughing at him or recognize that we owe to him some of the benefits of…

Stallman rightly predicted that corporations want to amass power and control over you, and that counter-culture technologies like the computer and the Internet would slowly revert to mainstream, corporate-friendly and capitalism-friendly ideals as they become wider spread. This is hardly a fringe position. But whereas a lot of others think the problems are structural to how society operates, and that fixing it would…

Do you recommend any other thinkers on these topics?

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Ubuntu, debian, armbian etc all have pipelines, build processes to create an image file where the users can install. The processes where one can compile/build/package are already there (signing the image might require more steps with access to keys). Documentation and the tooling for such processes can be improved and made more user friendly. With the evolving supply chain attacks, US Government advised companies to…

You cannot really expect that every user will have sufficient expertise to understand how an operating system works. Today not even technical users can do it without investing considerable effort. Security only explains why _some_ people should be able to understand how software works, and this is a different story. You do not need to make software open source or free for that, there can exist entire spectrum of vari…

You do not need to understand the entire operating system to benefit from open source. Open source can enable an end user to fix or at least report a narrow issue.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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"what does stallman think gamers are like?" He doesn't care, and likely has never given a single iota of thought to it, as he assumes what is best is to think like him. And dear RMS acolytes who will almost certainly bristle at this statement; I spent enough time around him and his satellites in the 90s/oughts, to feel quite comfortable saying this. He has near zero interest (and I would argue the capacity) to try to…

There are plenty of examples where somebody who has influenced the world was an idealist, out of touch with societal norms. RMS has serious faults, but his virtues have an immense value in my opinion. ‘The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.’.

"RMS has serious faults, but his virtues have an immense value in my opinion."

And I wouldn't disagree with that as an abstraction, but being in direct contact/proximity with him is an utterly dreadful form of masochism.

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