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Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

HideousKojima wrote: post #493
CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're African American if your dad is African American and your mom is Asian American, but Asian American if it's the other way around?

When it comes to "an Asian American saying they're African American" or whatever, yes the name of the applicant (and therefore the race of the parent whose last name they have) would probably affect their ability to get away with claiming they're a different race.

What? Even if you believe there is such a thing as human races, how would having a African American parent not make you African American?

Dividing humans into different races just an insane concept that has no place in the 21st century.

Re: Asian-Americans fight back against school discrimination

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Post by pl0x »

falsaberN1 wrote: post #338
pl0x wrote: post #182

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Please don't say "latinx". It's offensive to Spanish speakers. Not to mention unpronounceable. It is not a word designed by Spanish speakers and it shows. We have our own terms, use those if you want to be inclusive.

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Post by notSupplied »

jpgvm wrote: post #209

So they should. Anything other than an objective standardized test is just asking for bias. Australia gets by just fine with standardized testing only, don't see why America can't as well. If you make the cut then you can qualify for scholarships if you are disadvantaged because of means, etc. To be fair though Australia is overall more equal in terms of schooling outcomes but to pretend that it's a university/colleg…

> Anything other than an objective standardized test is just asking for bias.

Agree. "De-bias" is actually the same thing as bias. The only way to solve bias is to increase accuracy of measurement, not introduce new error terms with a negative sign.

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

pessimizer wrote: post #342
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #94

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> The racial categories are a very American centric and limited term, and arguably rooted largely as social constructs that loosely define the ethnic populations they cover. For example, and I don't mean any offense or to call any group out specifically, Koreans are overrepresented compared to Cambodians at the academic institutions listed in the article per their population proportion. This doesn't seem to be captur…

While Asians not being fungible has something to say about individuality (although not much), I don't know what it has to do with "intersectionality." It's very difficult to be Cambodian yet not Asian. Being both Asian and Cambodian is not an "intersection."

It's not about the intersection of the group with the subgroup, but the fact that the group is not a good proxy for the individual. The subgroup is a _better_ proxy, and each further subdivision becomes closer and closer to clearly representing the individual. Ultimately, the person being an individual is the highest fidelity subdivision.

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Post by cuteboy19 »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #465
0des wrote: post #425

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Well rounded and whole is an odd term. Can you explain that another way? Everyone who becomes sufficiently specialized and proficient in one thing is limited in the breadth of their experiences due to their metaphorical 10,000 hours being spent somewhere else (study).

Since Harvard is undoubtedly where so many future leaders come from (perhaps another entirely different problem), a better description might be leadership qualities.

And according to Harvard, Asians conveniently score lower personality scores.

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Post by cuteboy19 »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #371
avnfish wrote: post #294

I think this is just a logical conclusion of the US's wider mentality towards higher education. It seems to me that the US considers the main purpose of a high quality college education is to produce good economic and cultural elites. Thus, the focus for these colleges is on identifying and fostering 'good citizens' - those that have the highest potential to be shaped into a well-rounded and ethical stewards of this…

The thing is, ordering your student's scores from top to bottom and selecting the Nth best, is going to create a pointlessly competitive system where students strive only to get the best scores and not get actually meaningful education (ex. South Korea, China). Even things like giving more points to extra-curricular activities, volunteers, and good admission essays, are eventually going to be gamed and impose tons of…

Having a lottery determine your future is scifi dystopia. Why even filter by top X% at this point? Just make everything a lottery.

People should have as much control over their destiny as possible. They should have the opportunity to better themselves through hard work.

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Post by Miner49er »

zozbot234 wrote: post #384
Miner49er wrote: post #345

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It's pretty simple. A lot of kids don't have an opportunity to put in the time and effort. Some of them still do well despite this, and that shows they have great potential if given the opportunity. Taking life challenges and starting points into account is more of a meritocracy, because you are accounting for the difficulty they had to get to where they are. For example, say you have two kids with the same high SAT…

What do you mean by merit? Meritocracy is not about some kind of moral desert; it's a really, really inconvenient practice we put up with nonetheless (all those tests and credentials are no walk in the park!) because we think that higher-levels of responsibility (which are naturally well compensated) should be given to people with the most appropriate level of skills and competence, which are only developed via stren…

That makes sense in some situations, but when looking for school applicants, wouldn't you want the student with the most promise?

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Post by sokoloff »

Miner49er wrote: post #518
zozbot234 wrote: post #384

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What do you mean by merit? Meritocracy is not about some kind of moral desert; it's a really, really inconvenient practice we put up with nonetheless (all those tests and credentials are no walk in the park!) because we think that higher-levels of responsibility (which are naturally well compensated) should be given to people with the most appropriate level of skills and competence, which are only developed via stren…

That makes sense in some situations, but when looking for school applicants, wouldn't you want the student with the most promise?

For entrance exams for Thomas Jefferson Magnet High School, my answer is aligned with yours.

For college admission? My answer is way more aligned with GP's.

At some point theoretical potential must turn into demonstrated competence for it to have value and be rewarded. If that hasn't happened by SAT time, I'm betting against it happening in specifically the next 4 years.

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Post by HideousKojima »

CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #511
HideousKojima wrote: post #493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to "an Asian American saying they're African American" or whatever, yes the name of the applicant (and therefore the race of the parent whose last name they have) would probably affect their ability to get away with claiming they're a different race.

What? Even if you believe there is such a thing as human races, how would having a African American parent not make you African American? Dividing humans into different races just an insane concept that has no place in the 21st century.

These aren't the divisions I would make, I was specifically referring to your question in the parent post about an Asian simply claiming to be black to bypass discrimination. I was pointing out that other factors, such as names, would be used whenever possible to still be able to discriminate against even those who tried to hide or falsify their race.

I am not arguing that such discrimination or racial categories are valid.

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