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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by bleuchase » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:59 PM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #355

xkbarkar wrote: post #353

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I’d argue that the mandatory vaccine crowd are exactly the same. Edpecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked. Also I beleive that everytime officcials and MSM and threads like these completely undermine and ignore the millions of people who are traumatized by the pretty rough vaccine side effects ( Moderna is no joke ). these people wonder what else os being hidden. And the gap becomes wider and more fa…

I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that i…

> They show around 70-80% protection (with 3 doses for Omicron, 2 for earlier variants).

What is the absolute risk reduction you get from the shots? “95% effective” is a relative risk reduction and only refers to severe illness or death, not infection or transmission (neither of which were studied).

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by marcosdumay » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:00 PM UTC

whatthesmack wrote: post #371

nicoburns wrote: post #355

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I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that i…

> They show around 70-80% protection (with 3 doses for Omicron, 2 for earlier variants) That protection level lasts for about two months and then nosedives to uselessness[0]. If we keep pumping people with boosters, the manufacturers and the media aren't going to be able to keep suppressing reporting about the resulting heart issues the mRNA vaccines cause in many people[1]. Again, the vaccines are astoundingly leaky…

Do you know of any mirror of that paper that loads?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pm90 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:02 PM UTC

batch12 wrote: post #484

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #472

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Interesting that COVID vaccine provision is less racist than the average healthcare provision: > NAM found that “racial and ethnic minorities receive lower-quality health care than white people—even when insurance status, income, age, and severity of conditions are comparable.” By “lower-quality health care,” NAM meant the concrete, inferior care that physicians give their black patients. NAM reported that minority p…

Are you saying that CVS has been turning away brown people who want covid shots or are you just parroting rhetoric without really knowing or looking into the true root cause of this issue? Yes. My firsthand anecdotal conversations with black friends and family confirms that they are indeed smart enough and able enough to get the widely available covid shots. For free if that is an issue. Where is this black-person-fi…

> Are you saying that CVS has been turning away brown people who want covid shots or are you just parroting rhetoric without really knowing or looking into the true root cause of this issue?

It’s very clear that the OP is talking about systemic racism. Your anecdotes are meaningless. We need to look at statistical data. If African Americans are vaccinated less, it doesn’t matter if CVS isn’t explicitly denying them the shots. It’s possible that they may not have as many pharmacies in their neighborhoods. That they can’t get a day off to get the shots (because it’s not a mandate) in many Red States. Maybe there haven’t been enough outreach programs like Blue states trying to convince the community of the importance of getting vaccinated…

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by oliveshell » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:02 PM UTC

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #360

nicoburns wrote: post #355

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I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that i…

80% isn't protection. 80% still gets you pregnant. Honestly, it's probably healthier for everyone to turn off the news for a half year, and did not worry about it. If you get sick, take care of it. If you don't, take care of those who do. Lose weight. Exercise. Eat healthy. Live your life. Build and nurture friendships. Find and improve hobbies. Grow your family. You'll be fine until you die. But you can die any and…

> 80% isn't protection. 80% still gets you pregnant.

Serious question: I get that this is supposed to be a clever metaphor but what the hell does this even mean in a vaccine context?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gmiller123456 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:04 PM UTC

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

>The US policy response

The fundamental flaw in your logic is there was no "US policy response", each state had their own regulations, and they varied widely from shutting down churches, to next to nothing. So you're going to have to be a lot more specific about which policies you're referring to.

And, if you have actual analysis of the benefits and costs associated with any piece of any response, you should totally publish your results. But just saying it is completely worthless.

We all know actual experts will be analyzing this for decades, probably centuries. There is no doubt some of the policies helped, and some of them made things worse. Any blanket statements about all policies being too much, is going to require some pretty solid evidence.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:08 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #506

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #475

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I had family members telling me that the news was spreading fear and panic back then, and that we should not lock down even for two weeks because, in their own words, “they won’t let us out.” I was skeptical and accepted the lockdown for two weeks. We only just started getting out more than three months later. Either my family was really unusually right… or there was a percentage of people saying it was a bad idea th…

That’s still applying hindsight logic, though. At the start of the pandemic we didn’t know enough about the virus to know what was and was not necessary. Your family applied their skepticism of government to speculate that the lockdown would be a long one. That speculation would turn out to be correct but unless you’re in a family of epidemiologists they weren’t correct because they understood the virus better than a…

Then the correct response should have been for experts to say they didn’t know, instead of saying the lockdowns were the solution. And then shouting for months that any failures were due to noncompliance.

And maybe offer a split deal. Anyone who wants to lock down, go ahead, here’s some protections. Don’t want to lock down? Your body your choice.

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Post by magicalist » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:09 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #495

magicalist wrote: post #493

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> that we should not lock down even for two weeks because, in their own words, “they won’t let us out.” > And now that they were shown to be completely right Only if we define literally any mitigation (like indoor masks, and often not even that, depending on the state) as not letting us out.

No - like they literally wouldn’t let us out. They had to attend church for months watching only from their parked vehicles and with their windows shut. And somebody had their windows open once so the church got a threatening letter from the city from an informant neighbor across the street.

Sure, but that's actually been shown to be one of the better early pandemic choices. Three months of not gathering inside a church when there were no vaccines and treatments were so primitive and often completely ineffective.

As for not opening a car window, I'm obviously not informed about every city's policies, but if true, sounds dumb but irrelevant to your point. I assume used to paint restrictions in a ridiculous light?

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Post by astrange » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:10 PM UTC

strken wrote: post #380

astrange wrote: post #309

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And every Australian I know was happy about it too. Australia is very similar to the US, but one difference is that they're less oppositional. Helps that it actually seemed to work though I'm surprised there hasn't been more objection to the lack of tourism. Of course, it's ineffective against omicron which is just too infectious to be stopped, and they aren't doing it now.

I was in Melbourne for all but the first lockdown, and we were about as "happy" as a patient going in for knee reconstruction. I know that's not what you meant, but the lockdowns really sucked, even if they were the least bad choice and even if most of us agreed with them.

Impressive, I thought people from Melbourne were only capable of bragging about their coffee culture.

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:13 PM UTC

magicalist wrote: post #517

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #495

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No - like they literally wouldn’t let us out. They had to attend church for months watching only from their parked vehicles and with their windows shut. And somebody had their windows open once so the church got a threatening letter from the city from an informant neighbor across the street.

Sure, but that's actually been shown to be one of the better early pandemic choices. Three months of not gathering inside a church when there were no vaccines and treatments were so primitive and often completely ineffective. As for not opening a car window, I'm obviously not informed about every city's policies, but if true, sounds dumb but irrelevant to your point. I assume used to paint restrictions in a ridiculou…

I’m not painting it in a ridiculous light when it was actually ridiculous.

There is and was no evidence then or now that you can catch COVID from the car next door with the windows open.

The church offered workarounds, like two pews spacing between families (over 6’ easily) and spaced-out folding-chair overflow in the basement. City didn’t care.

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Post by afavour » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 4:14 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #516

afavour wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s still applying hindsight logic, though. At the start of the pandemic we didn’t know enough about the virus to know what was and was not necessary. Your family applied their skepticism of government to speculate that the lockdown would be a long one. That speculation would turn out to be correct but unless you’re in a family of epidemiologists they weren’t correct because they understood the virus better than a…

Then the correct response should have been for experts to say they didn’t know, instead of saying the lockdowns were the solution. And then shouting for months that any failures were due to noncompliance. And maybe offer a split deal. Anyone who wants to lock down, go ahead, here’s some protections. Don’t want to lock down? Your body your choice.

> Then the correct response should have been for experts to say they didn’t know, instead of saying the lockdowns were the solution.

That kind of is why they said: that lockdowns were about the only reliable tool until we understood more, built out testing infrastructure, track and trace etc… it’s just that the government then didn’t do any of that.

> And maybe offer a split deal. Anyone who wants to lock down, go ahead, here’s some protections. Don’t want to lock down? Your body your choice.

Even a cursory look towards labor rights in the US would make it very clear it wouldn’t be “your body your choice”, it would be “want to keep your job? Turn up to work or you’re fired”.