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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by ukj »

bmeski wrote: post #451
evgen wrote: post #381

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The reality of the situation seems to be that we have all decided upon the proper collective course of action and you are the one who is in denial. You are the one who seems to have no clue why nations form, why this particular nation came into being, and what demands it has made over and over upon its citizens for the benefit of their fellow Americans. If you do not like it then you are the one who should leave. We,…

“We, the many, believe so much in the narrative that these vaccines are effective, despite the consistent spread of the disease it was aimed to stop, so much so that we will kick anyone out of society that does not agree with the collective mob. Most of which who are scientifically illiterate and get their news from talking heads and the revolving door of medical officials/pharma execs.” Is this what you’re saying? G…

Why do you keep pretending that any intervention/strategy for dealing with the pandemic which isn't 100% effective is 0% effective?

In my proffessional experience faux-perfectionists tend to be rather incompetent pragmatists.

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Post by atoav »

charlieyu1 wrote: post #499
atoav wrote: post #311

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Slight change: There is no science if reasonable doubts aren't allowed. The thing with this pandemic is, that the time where you could have a reasonable doubt in the vaccines are over for a while now. We vaccinated half of earths population. If there would have been horrible side effects they would have shown. The more data we gather the clearer the picture becomes and the less reasonable certain doubts become. The t…

Doubting a vaccine that is developed in a few months instead of years like how it was done in the past, is already reasonable doubt

You know how 64x1.2 GHz multicore CPUs can be faster than one single 1.2 GHz CPU?

The same principle works in medicine. Instead of one institute doing 10 trials over 5 years you can also have 10 institutes doing 10 trials in a year (Note: these are not actual numbers, just a show of peinciple).

The trials for the corona vaccines have not been done at a worse quality, as far as I can tell the opposite is actually the case. No vaccine ever had this many critical eyes on it.

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peteradio wrote: post #363
atoav wrote: post #311

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Slight change: There is no science if reasonable doubts aren't allowed. The thing with this pandemic is, that the time where you could have a reasonable doubt in the vaccines are over for a while now. We vaccinated half of earths population. If there would have been horrible side effects they would have shown. The more data we gather the clearer the picture becomes and the less reasonable certain doubts become. The t…

You need to justify the marginal benefit of force vaccinating young healthy people. That conversation never properly happened. First it was "that's not even being talked about, fuck off antivaxxer" then the next it was "are you kidding me we already decided this for you, fuck off antivaxxer". You can believe that vaccines are beneficial at preventing serious illness while doubting if they ought be required to a recov…

>40% of those infected show long COVID symptoms. Compared to that receiving a little sting that makes you tired for a day is pretty much nothing.

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Post by pleasestepback »

Anytime you take a plant from the forrest - tearing it from it's roots to plant it inside your green house - if you give it the fertilizer and the ammount of water you think is required while depriving it from it's environment - are you responsible if it's life expectency is drastically shortened and it dies? Agent contraints dictate survival. What about mandating corporate structures to have vaccines distributed to every single person on earth at the lowest cost under threat? The vaccines might just get better too if they need to make fewer doses. Yes evil people exist; I've had the honor to meet a few. Total vaccination will not mitigate what is naively feared as the worst. Creation of these incentive structures is not conducive for the longterm survival of critical thought. I've lost more people to sickness via policy than virus itself. Scientific experimentation has been my life and I will die too.

- fellow canadian

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Post by hotz »

Daishiman wrote: post #509
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Question your sources first, before you think about ruining lives. E.g. here in Germany there's been a hospital management problem on the gov's side since late 00's early 10's. Relatively, in the past two years there has been no difference to the hospital problems compared to 2010 - 2012.

My sources are friends who work in radiology and cancer wards who are tired of COVID inducing totally preventable deaths. I just canceled my flight to visit one of them because the circulation of Omicron is too high to risk it, as they're being asked to quarantine just 5 days as there's not enough staff around, an unprecedented situation. It is an enormously, totally different thing. How the hell are people still den…

Omicron is a mild flu. Live your life and have fun. Don't be a victim to fear mongering. I'm never getting vaccinated, I haven't been sick since this thing started. I'm South African, our vaccination rates are well below the rest of the world and we're relaxing restrictions. You wanna tell me us Africans have more common sense than the West? Don't let the media and politicians imprison you and turn you against the people around you.

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Post by hotz »

commandlinefan wrote: post #482
simonh wrote: post #184

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There have been extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines, both during their trials and after public use, and these studies are continuing. The regulators on several counties including the US have even publicly registered concerns about several of the vaccines, particularly the J&J single dose vaccine. None of these studies have been suppressed or censored, and they are ongoing and I see debate about them goin…

> extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines How and when? This time last year (when trump said a vaccine was less than a year away) these same medical professionals were warning us that vaccine testing takes years in the best case.

Yep, they were crapping on the vaccines and now they're forcing people to take the same ones. People too easily forget what politicians spew. Critical thinking is lost on many.

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Post by Radim »

dang wrote: post #495
Radim wrote: post #431

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What can I say. It's your site, your rules. But I disagree strongly with your "way over the top" Daniel – that's just rude. Mine was an on-topic factual response, substantiated with relevant links, articulated in a perfectly civil manner. Along with my sibling responses. I bet you many people were not aware of these facts, or the broader historical context. All perfectly appropriate given the thread topic. I'm kinda…

By "way over the top" I meant that your analogy was excessive and distracting. This should not be hard to understand. As everyone knows, there's a vast history of people arguing ad Hitlerum in internet flamewars. It was already a cliché decades ago—in fact it is the most notorious internet cliché of all time. When invoked in the context of contemporary political debates, it's pure flamebait. That's against the site g…

> By "way over the top" I meant that your analogy was excessive and distracting.

Nope, it wasn't. See my sibling response to random314.

Just because others cried wolf before, doesn't mean you shouldn't cry wolf when you see one. Indeed you must, given the parent post (detached now, context lost). I didn't draw that analogy out of nowhere – it's apt, and driven by both hard data and curiosity.

Choosing to ignore your "this should not be hard to understand" and "everyone knows" snarks.

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Post by ekianjo »

lostmsu wrote: post #380
ekianjo wrote: post #364

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> You just dismissed my first link based on an irrelevant claim that countries with high vaccination rates still have outbreaks (duh). you mentioned the first step is hindered. Which is completely not proven by the fact that countries with high vaccination rates should effectively have a R trending towards zero if the vaccines even worked half as well as they should. Instead you see major outbreaks which completely c…

You started with an ad-hominem attack. And you just made a new claim with 0 backing in numbers. I don't know if you are arguing in good faith here, but definitely in low quality. Show us the numbers supporting your point. You just implied R is not affected by vaccination status, but you have provided 1 data to back this. Whereas I provided a cumulative of thousands of cases, that directly support my point.

> You started with an ad-hominem attack.

Where?

> And you just made a new claim with 0 backing in numbers.

which claim?

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Post by simonh »

commandlinefan wrote: post #482
simonh wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines, both during their trials and after public use, and these studies are continuing. The regulators on several counties including the US have even publicly registered concerns about several of the vaccines, particularly the J&J single dose vaccine. None of these studies have been suppressed or censored, and they are ongoing and I see debate about them goin…

> extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines How and when? This time last year (when trump said a vaccine was less than a year away) these same medical professionals were warning us that vaccine testing takes years in the best case.

This time last year my wife, a nurse here in the UK, had already had her first shot of the Pfizer vaccine.
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