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South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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I became alarmed about covid since it first appeared in Wuhan, but these days I am more alarmed about people I meet saying that the unvaccinated shouldn't be admitted to hospital, etc

The division is the only killer part of this killer virus.

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I think we're probably in luck somewhat: if something actually serious came along, I agree that people would be much less disagreeable, and perhaps we'd have enough actual problems so authorities wouldn't have to engage in make work projects. That said, I think massive numbers of people (likely the majority still, although the tides seem to be shifting extremely quickly lately) would strongly disagree with us on the…

What's most shocking to me is how little interest there seems to be in educating the population. We're constantly bombarded with the latest COVID-19 case/death numbers, editorialized headlines designed to instill fear, and told to basically shut up, get our vaccine shots, and trust the "experts", and there's been no attempt to educate the population on the real numbers. For example, how many people know the: - Case f…

I agree, it is a very sad state of affairs, in general, and particularly when it comes to reporting of statistics. If this pandemic is genuinely serious, why is there no standardized set of metrics for reporting on it, including things like explicit acknowledgements of where certain sources may not be an exact match for the metric, and all the other things that any serious data project has? And, why is there no meta-conversation about what metrics should be reported?

> What's most shocking to me is how little interest there seems to be in educating the population.

I think it's even stranger than it seems at first glance. There is no shortage of people calling for "moar critical thinking", as in "why don't those whose job it is to teach critical thinking do a better job"....but have you ever seen the conversation go beyond that?

To me, it is clear as day that overall humanity has a very serious problem with "critical thinking", and when I say that I'm casting an extremely wide net, one that would capture not just Trump supporters, conspiracy theorists, and over-enthusiastic progressives, but also 90% of the HN userbase (an arbitrary line can be drawn anywhere according to the drawers wishes, but it is not difficult at all to draw a line that captures ~everyone, according to an explicit standard/methodology). I truly believe that things are in a far worse state than anyone realizes, and my reasoning for that is that each individual overlooks one crucial detail: critical thinking is implemented by the human mind, and the human mind is an illusion machine....and, due to millions of years of evolution, it is so good at conjuring illusions (such as each of our respective entire conceptualizations of reality) that we are unable to realize when what we're seeing is an illusion....or worse: the possibility never even crosses our mind. And, if it does, we will ask our mind "Is this an illusion?", and the answer will come: "No, it is not, this is reality", which will be enthusiastically accepted as fact. And that I propose is "how it works", and how nobody realizes what is going on. (There's more strange stuff over and above that, like if you mention this particular idea to anyone, the majority of the time they will get ~angry and insist on changing the conversation, or, engage in non-logical rhetoric, character attacks, scolding, etc etc etc - but this is the essence of the problem imho.)

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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Even ignoring deaths, "long COVID" is still a very real unknown: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/04/harvard-medic... As I understand, we don't know much about whether omicron has worse, same, or better outcomes in relation to long-term consequences and persistent symptoms. Pls do share if you've heard otherwise

From what I've seen there seems to be a growing body of evidence that "long COVID" is very much overblown. Eg. See this recent meta-analysis which found that when you actually add a control group, most of the symptoms disappear. A higher study quality was associated with lower prevalence of almost all symptoms. Original tweet: https://twitter.com/ShamezLadhani/status/1472622893154639876 Link to study: https://www.jou…

That study only analyzed pediatric cases

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1. The quip was that people who don't want to get vaccinated will get immunized through infection. Yes, using "vaccinated" in this context ("the variant that will vaccinate") is not proper usage of the term unless we allow the interpretation that vaccines are milder than the disease and Omicron might be milder than Delta. 2. "obscure, experimental, for older strains": Look, the vaccines are not obscure. Billions had…

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> 1) exponential growth has consistently ceased before the hospitals overflowed too bad I believe quite a few hospitals around the world overflowed pretty badly.

Yes, you believe. The reality is that most healthcare systems, at least in developed countries, handled the patients well enough.

that's not what I heard on Twitter, from various people who work in hospitals, nor in various news reports.
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