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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

caconym_ wrote: post #510
ddingus wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They care because none of this seemed to matter until the White House and then the big media, who is being tagged as authoritative despite getting a lot wrong, were ratioed consistently. People asked why disliking POTUS matters now, when it didn't before. People asked why big media gets to fact check everyone, despite obvious, daily bias and error, and dislikes are hidden for them and this helps everyone how exactly?…

I don't think videos on politicized topics getting "ratioed" is a very good signal of anything in today's political climate. Many, many users are willing to downvote content featuring people and/or organizations they've been told are their enemies, without engaging with the content at all. In fact, this sort of thing is IMO one of the best arguments for removing downvote counts. Beyond that, I frankly don't think peo…

This is all trying to tell people what to think!

Pages of discussion on how data should be interpreted.

All the while ignoring the big players who did not like the fact that they are widely disliked.

As for taking away a tool...

POTUS has a very low approval rating. The dislikes follow, as they should.

That same POTUS getting after long overdue policy with majority public support would very likely see a different outcome.

People disliking big media and government sell jobs? SHOCKER!

Of course they did, and of course it leads to questions which, of course led to eliminating the source of those questions.

Finally, "I don't think people should..." Full stop. We need to realize those other people have agency and work from there.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

beerandt wrote: post #485
root_axis wrote: post #471

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The evidence presented in this video isn't anywhere near enough to confirm that this is actually true, yet you're already offering up speculative explanations about google's intentions as if it's all a foregone conclusion and you know exactly why. I think that's a little weird.

When it comes to censorship, I think at best it doesn't really matter why , and at worst it's fair to assume mal intent, even if it's not obvious or provable. Otherwise (and without an affirmative reason), why hide it? That's the nature of censorship. But especially so when the "alpha testing" is specifically done on videos of the new White House administration. Unless you're questioning whether removing the downvote…

> When it comes to censorship, I think at best it doesn't really matter why

Your "censorship" framing is just a speculative assumption. There is no proof that censorship is going on here.

> What hypothetical "pure" intentions would you suggest are possibilities?

There are billions of comments on YouTube and anyone who actually works in software understands that software very often does things that the programmers didn't intend, and I'm not even talking about ML which is literally statistically applied logic, i.e. the wrong thing happening is inevitably assured and assumed from the start.

This whole argument is moot anyway, there's no commercial incentive to hire a legion of moderators because for all that extra money spent they'd simply be accused of bias even if the moderation was actually fair, a statistic of which there is literally no trusted party to arbiter.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

emodendroket wrote: post #506
ddingus wrote: post #501

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I agree and do take time to ask others about this stuff. Right now, I enjoy having a broad mix of people, young, old, men, women... to talk to. One thing I love is when they bring me stuff to discuss. The trick is to express an interest and make those conversations fun, real gives and takes. The numbers on people seeking news outside the established media are pretty high. YT and the White House did that public beta a…

It sounds a lot like the people you're talking to are Republican partisans who view most events through that lens.

I have many of those same questions. Dem for decades.

Just saying...

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

ddingus wrote: post #491
root_axis wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The evidence presented in this video isn't anywhere near enough to confirm that this is actually true, yet you're already offering up speculative explanations about google's intentions as if it's all a foregone conclusion and you know exactly why. I think that's a little weird.

Who says we are constrained to this video? This matter is a running conversation.

If you can present evidence that YouTube is deleting comments that criticize the removal of the dislike button then I'll retract my skepticism of your comment and endorse it myself.

From my perspective, there is a least considerable evidence that what you're saying is not true, consider for just one example, the entire comment section on the very video this thread is about.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by sieabah »

root_axis wrote: post #514
ddingus wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says we are constrained to this video? This matter is a running conversation.

If you can present evidence that YouTube is deleting comments that criticize the removal of the dislike button then I'll retract my skepticism of your comment and endorse it myself. From my perspective, there is a least considerable evidence that what you're saying is not true, consider for just one example, the entire comment section on the very video this thread is about.

Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43wp_EUk2ho

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by yeetman21 »

kazinator wrote: post #327
yeetman21 wrote: post #308

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who in their right mind would hire a content moderator for 60$ an hour? It would most likely be the work of some off shore English Speaking Country like India and they would get 6$ an hour, AI would first flag or not flag things and then the human moderators would intervene, just like how Facebook and China does it.

> It would most likely be the work of some off shore English Speaking Country like India and they would get 6$ an hour Could they do it better than an algorithm which already does it for free?

Algorithms in their current state can only do so much and even the best ones can accidentally flag a picture of a cow as human breasts or mistakes a human would never make. In practice algorithms would probably heavily handily flag stuff with humans to deal with the appeal requests

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by sieabah »

ddingus wrote: post #422
franczesko wrote: post #217

The majority of YouTube traffic comes from mobile devices (this can be observed in Google Ads for any video campaign), which is losing market share because of Tictoc. Google will do whatever it takes to monetize every inch of their investment. By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. This is also visible on the other side of the spectrum - Google is pushing heavily integrated c…

"forced" It is still a big Internet out there. All it takes is an up and coming platform to steer people elsewhere. YT is big, and yeah they will carry on via inertia, but for things like news, organizing, commentary? Yeah, people will seek it elsewhere.

You have never dealt with bandwidth costs for video, have you.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

sieabah wrote: post #515
root_axis wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can present evidence that YouTube is deleting comments that criticize the removal of the dislike button then I'll retract my skepticism of your comment and endorse it myself. From my perspective, there is a least considerable evidence that what you're saying is not true, consider for just one example, the entire comment section on the very video this thread is about.

Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43wp_EUk2ho

Check the comment section of that video.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

root_axis wrote: post #514
ddingus wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says we are constrained to this video? This matter is a running conversation.

If you can present evidence that YouTube is deleting comments that criticize the removal of the dislike button then I'll retract my skepticism of your comment and endorse it myself. From my perspective, there is a least considerable evidence that what you're saying is not true, consider for just one example, the entire comment section on the very video this thread is about.

Well, there we go!

Seriously, and with due respect, I do not need your endorsement. In the court of public opinion, it's all about the passers by and how this conversation plays out over an extended amount of time. You have put your thoughts here, as have I and we both get to do that!

Bonus: Seems a reasonable conversation. I like those.

My perspective is that of a student of corruption, these general dynamics over a broad range of contexts. There are some basic truisms in play here that speak very strongly to the opinion I expressed.

That's why I lead with, "of course they are", because "that is how these things go."

Time tested, production proven basic wisdom right there. Our history is littered with this crap, and the tech, context, etc... will change, but the humans really don't.

This is a human issue, not a technical one.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

root_axis wrote: post #518
sieabah wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43wp_EUk2ho

Check the comment section of that video.

For what? Burden is on you here, due to your position in the conversation.

What are we looking for? Why does it matter?

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