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Re: Without parental leave I might be dead

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Completely my experience as well (x3 kids)...can you enlighten me on what the author meant by, "drinking beer from a small and dainty glass"? If there's a social reference or analogy, I'm missing it.

I guess some American perception of sophisticated European Frenchmen? I dunno :-)

I thought American beer glasses are usually smaller than the rest of the world's Pint?

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Apart from the very obvious argument that parental leave should be a human right and is essential to women's rights, the HN crowd might appreciate that there are significant individual and societal long-term benefits to mothers being able to care for their newborns. Such as an estimated 2.6 point boost in IQ from breastfeeding [1] (95% CI: 1.25; 3.98) [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26211556/

Should we mandate breastfeeding because of the long term societal benefits ?

Why don’t parents realize this and do what’s best for their own child ?

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The US is one of the wealthiest MEDC countries, and "homogeneous population" is just racist drivel.

If you can't understand why people would be more motivated for pay for socialized services when people who consume those services are more like themselves, you need to reflect on your worldview.

Call me crazy, but I think that human beings are fundamentally the same and deserve basic dignity. I believe it is actually you who needs to justify people extending less empathy to people of a different race. That seems like racism to me, and I thought we were supposed to be trying to move past that.

Re: Without parental leave I might be dead

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People don’t have to have children. And people can and do stay at home with their children at all income levels.

> People don’t have to have children. Ah, here we go. This is a veiled "only people who have enough money should have children" argument. > And people can and do stay at home with their children at all income levels. I am sure that disproportionately favors certain income levels.

What’s wrong with “only people who have enough money should have children”?

I mean, that’s just being a responsible parent.

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I agree with the GP comment that the GOP has no right wing parallel in Europe. But your comparison with European Fascism is both innacurate and historically disrespectful. Literally all the fascist regimes in the countries you listed were Military coups in their origin and were all fairly economically inept regimes. They also included all out media censorship, political prisoners, prisoner torture and interrogation,…

> They also included all out media censorship, political prisoners, prisoner torture and interrogation, political assasinations, and genuine terror across civil society Could it be a matter of comparing Policies vs strategies/tactics?

Charitable, but if we look at it from a policy standpoint, all the dictatorships listed were Economic Interventionists and heavy spenders on public infrastructure. Basically the polar opposite of GOP (except for QE and bank bailout interventionism).

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Three months each with six months shared. My friends and coworkers who’ve lived in the US describe pre-school childcare as dystopian. Even when expensive. If you think of it as 5/(40 * 2) or if you had two kids relatively close together 7/(40 * 3) the math is significantly better. It’s also very telling that caring for kids is not seen as being productive.

Where does the 40*3 term come from? I'm assuming the 5/(40*2) is 5 years of subsidy out of two 40-year careers. I can't figure where the 3 term is coming from unless it's 2 children from 3 total people or something else that I'm missing.

Yes it’s three careers. I say just before it if you have two kids close together. Two years is a normal gap. So seven years of subsidy out of three forty year careers. The mother and two children each have forty years of “productivity”.

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It’s callous to not give people free money, that you took from other people? Is it callous to throw criminals in jail? Is it callous to expect people to save money? Maybe principles, morality, and justice are callous.

What a pointless comment. It's much more nuanced than giving people free money. Next you'd be saying it's not callous to not help someone out of a burning building unless they paid their taxes for the fire fighters.

The parent comment is an equally pointless call for sympathy with no substance.

Re: Without parental leave I might be dead

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I'm against it. Why give people less responsibility and less freedom, as they get smarter and more educated. And why revert to a more costly and inefficient public sector to achieve this. Seems like moving in the absolute wrong direction to me. Socialism and "free stuff" is something that I'm absolutely against in every way. And people have full control over having children. I see no point whatsoever in having paid p…

By your logic the state shouldn't pay for school for children either. It does though because it's an investment, the country is better off for having an educated and literate population. I suspect that one day free childcare will be viewed similarly as free education—something that may cost money but is widely accepted as "worth it" for the sake of society. Anyway I always struggle to understand the all-to-frequent h…

The country would be even better off with a financially literate, empowered population that could be responsible for their own lives, and could come to these conclusions themselves.

Why are you surprised that an american centered website have just the opinions that are current de-facto policies in america? And why are you surprised that highly educated people that work in for-profit organisations prefer to be independent and manage their own lives?

I'm rather more surprised at the opposite, to discover that american programmers are actually communists and want to be cared for by the state in every way, and live uniform, identical, slow and inefficient lives. That seems to me like you would be in constant conflict with your surroundings and contradict your own life choices.

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The frequency of people on HN who think that paid parental leave isn't important is frankly disgusting. I'm so disappointed with this community.

I would imagine the demographics of HN make it so that not only are there few women, the gender who is most commonly tasked with taking care of the newborn, there's also few who even have had kids.

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I literally worked for most of my child's 8 month life, from her ICU room, I worked the morning of her 9 surgeries, I worked through the genetic diagnosis, I worked through being told my child has brain bleeds, neuroblastoma, is deaf, re-intubated, etc... if my insurance wasn't tied to my work, I would've quit in a heartbeat. I'm convinced I'll go to my grave with working that time being my biggest regret in life. I…

I am so very sorry for your loss. As a parent, your post is incredibly impactful. As a company owner(20 FTE), I've had several staff take leave for catastrophic health issues in their immediate family. It's been incredibly costly for my small company to keep paying them indefinitely beyond their accrued and used holiday/sick leave, but it's been worth it in the long run. It has engendered the kind of effort, loyalty,…

I Germany it's 14 months total (if both parents take at least 2 months, otherwise it's 12) & it still felt like too little! I wish I could have spent more time with my kids when they were babies but I had to go back to work.
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