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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by lern_too_spel »

GeekyBear wrote: post #427
flutas wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> their intent is to scan cloud photos corrected: their intent is to scan all photos in your photo library, on your device, including images automatically pulled in from from various sources such as messages, if you have iCloud Photo enabled.

Apple does not scan on device photos at all. It's something they announced they might do to images you upload to iCloud Photos some day in the future. Google, on the other hand, has been scanning the entire contents of your account for the past decade. >a man [was] arrested on child pornography charges, after Google tipped off authorities about illegal images found in the Houston suspect’s Gmail account. https://tech…

You do not have to use Google Photos if you do not want to on any Android phone. You can upload photos to your own server in the background exactly like the Google Photos app does. On iOS, only iCloud Photos can do that. It is strictly worse for privacy.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by standardUser »

I couldn't wait any longer so I purchased a very expensive Samsung S21 Ultra ($1200) because no Google phone could lure me away from my fading Pixel 2 XL.

My mistake, because the Samsung phone had preloaded software that took considerable effort to remove (more than most people could/would deal with). It wasn't the software itself that bothered me, but rather that there were notifications for apps I don't use that I could not turn off. That's enough to make me hate a company for a long time.

Bloat my phone all you want, but notifications take my brain-space, not my drive space. At least with a Google phone I have a semblance of control over the core function of the device. Looking forward to the Pixel 7 or equivalent once this Samsung device has served its purpose.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by JimDabell »

howinteresting wrote: post #292
theshrike79 wrote: post #117

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Apple's solution was to scan stuff that was going to be uploaded anyway on-device before upload. Using that they could add multiple redundancies and they wouldn't need to look at your stuff on the cloud at all before getting multiple positive matches. And even then the first level is a human checking if it's an actual match or a false positive. This was somehow a huge invasion of privacy, when people were competing o…

It is generally a good practice to steelman the opposing argument. In this case, the steelman is that Apple has turned a capability barrier (if your scanning is on the cloud, you simply cannot scan local photos) into a policy barrier (now you can scan all photos, there's just a flag in the software which means you don't do so.)

> a policy barrier (now you can scan all photos, there's just a flag in the software which means you don't do so.)

This is not the case. People are guessing about how it works and getting it wrong. The device doesn’t know if there’s a match or not. The logic is not “if there’s a match, tell Apple”, the logic is “attach a safety voucher to every iCloud upload and let Apple figure it out on the server”. You can’t flip a switch and just run it against all photos on the device – the iCloud upload is a part of the design. If Apple wanted to scan all the photos on your device, they would have picked a different design for this. If Apple change their minds and want to do this in the future, they need to redesign how this works, it’s not just a policy decision.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by lern_too_spel »

arghwhat wrote: post #118
alexmcc81 wrote: post #61

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> exact matches Not exact matches. Hashes. Hashes that were quickly show to have collisions that the company brushed off.

Accurate, but note that intent as OP referred to is not the same as implementation. Fucking up doesn't mean you intended to fuck up. With Google you can be absolutely sure that their intent is to eat all your personal information and data for short-term profit. With Apple it was "just" a stupid attempt at legal (over?) compliance.

That's the narrative that Apple's marketing department is selling, but I'm not buying it. The fact is that Apple devices slurp up more data to Apple that you cannot turn off without making your phone essentially useless than Google devices slurp up to Google.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by crossroadsguy »

Sodman wrote: post #224

I hate the trend that the "pro" versions of all these flagship phones need to be an XL Phablet monstrosity. Human hands haven't gotten any bigger. I have owned most of the Nexus & Pixel phones throughout the years. After having the Nexus 6 as my daily driver for 2 years, I have always opted for the smaller option ever since. I would totally pay flagship prices for a regular ~5.5-6" phone with flagship specs, and I'm…

There are many reasons I’m in Apple’s walled garden but a sane phone size is simply the biggest.

I sometimes think about what I’m going to get after 12 mini that I’m using is done for :) Because there are reports that Apple is done with this screen size segment.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by Covzire »

standardUser wrote: post #513

I couldn't wait any longer so I purchased a very expensive Samsung S21 Ultra ($1200) because no Google phone could lure me away from my fading Pixel 2 XL. My mistake, because the Samsung phone had preloaded software that took considerable effort to remove (more than most people could/would deal with). It wasn't the software itself that bothered me, but rather that there were notifications for apps I don't use that I…

I want to like Samsung, and I used to have an S III and it was great in it's day but they need to step up with their security updates. They provide 3-years of updates now I think which is better than they used to be, but for a lot of security-minded people I think a portable computer with a lot of sensitive personal data is pretty much obsolete the moment the critical security updates stop coming. For me that means I could only have a Samsung phone for 3 years before it would need to be replaced.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ink404 »

pkulak wrote: post #320
eis wrote: post #274

Google seems to have for some reason requested a very/overly broad embargo from reviewers which does not let them show any photos taken with the device or software features for now. MKBHD mentions this (and shows nothing from the phone really) @ https://youtu.be/roWxo6jWoYw?t=140 And Mrwhosetheboss said he refused to cover these phones due to the embargo. The Tech Chap mentions he can't show anything apart from the h…

Did you notice MKBHD said this kind of embargo is a "red flag". Well, he already knows any issues that may exist, so it's very interesting that he chose to say this.

There's a good video he's featured in discussing this issue

https://youtu.be/9V0lXIK9DZQ

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg »

jvanderbot wrote: post #505
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #439

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One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

Just adding my vote for the pixel 2 with custom Roms and OS. A breeze, efficient, and light.

it's def not for the iphone crowd though. also the crappiest lineageOS support ever - but lots of other roms.

I got the panda version. after 2 months in my side pocket, the white paint that for some reason the google geniuses decided should cover the also white plastic, started peeling off. From rubbing with my leather wallet. completely irrelevant to the functionality, which is the good part about it. searched it and everyone w/o a case is having the paint peeling issue. but... it's a much better issue than the entire phone, front and back being made of glass that breaks and costs $100+ to replace, and falls frequently because it's too slippery to hold in one hand.

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