I know we're supposed to only contribute commentary that productively advances the conversation, but the thought that keeps bubbling back to the top for me is "lol noob, you sold out; you got what you asked for"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#512Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem people have with Joe Rogan, and everyone else like him, is that they're spreading misinformation without having an ounce of education in the subject at hand. People should be listening to the CDC, the FDA, getting vaccinated, wearing masks, and washing their hands. That is best solution we have to the problem, end of story. No amount of agreeable platitudes will make any difference if this disease continu…
The State is always benevolent and we should always believe and do everything they say. End of story.
False dichotomy. You're not going to enable an honest debate by going straight to fallacies.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#513That's fine. An uneducated guy bringing on other uneducated guys that talk about something as if they're experts. Joe is an "average dude" who loves his disinformation and nodding his head to whatever BS someone says. People like words, personalities, hand waving. That's not where truth comes from. Truth is a hard fought battle that doesn't come to you in a podcast. It comes in written words, proofs, and is filled wi…
I heard experts give nuanced opinions on his podcast
I hear "experts" on the news too, yet they're also the source of conspiracy nuts. Why is that? Because they have no honesty, and also run many fakers.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#514No wonder. Spotify is the most broken piece of shit on the app stores by far. Hey, let me download these so i can listen on the plane. Oh, the app just hangs on startup when you're in airplane mode. Well that's pointless. And on and on. It's a wonder anyone even can listen if they wanted to. Sorry, this comment is probably not HN material, but every time I use Spotify it makes me angry from how it just doesn't work.
I actually like Spotify. For music , though. Listening to podcasts in a music app – makes no sense to me. I have Overcast for that purpose and I see no reason to switch. I can understand that it was a good deal for Rogan personally if he got 100 million USD for exclusivity but for the average podcast host I believe that an open platform is much better.
As an artist I do not like getting $50 per 1m plays.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#515Not surprised this degenerated immediately into a mass ranting session about pandemic science with pretty much the entire catalog of cognitive biases and logical fallacies on display. I guess that's interesting to some, from a sociological standpoint, but for me, there's more than enough of this on literally every other social media platform. I'm interested in a discussion about the actual dynamic of spotify vs youtu…
Maybe it's the time of day, but HN is usually good at cutting through the usual politicised stuff, and just discussing the issue at hand.
At the end of the day, Spotify isn't a Podcasts platform, and nobody I know associates Spotify with podcasts. Surely somebody on Rogan's team knew this, but I suspect the money was simply too good to pass up. Imagine starting a FinTech SaaS with the sole purpose of being acquired, and then being offered $100m by a Biotech company. I'd probably take it.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#516Earlier quoted context omitted.
During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...
I've noticed that a lot of overly-confident people do this. They essentially have a list of preferred topics and always try to bring the conversation to those topics.
> What's your rap these days? Most of us have one. Is it a disquisition on the stupidity of television, the rapacity of multinational corporations, how the Yuppies had it coming to them, the thrills of motorcycling, the perils of tuna fish? Some people are always ready to mount the soapbox. (It's the twelfth time you've heard this guy's tirade and it was already boring the second time around.)
> The worst sort of rap is the pet peeve. Pet peeves manage to smuggle their way into every conversation, no matter what the topic. Marty is hung up on America's foolishness in not imposing tariffs against the Japanese. It's not clear why he takes this so personally, but he's definitely obsessed with the problem. The topic of conversation is Monday-night football? Marty contrives a quick segue to the state of television in America, orchestrates a smooth turn to the subject of the future Japanese control of the entertainment business, and— presto— tariffs. Marty's rap is boring for the same reason the preacher's is— it's predictable— but it's also an imposition. He uses friends as a sounding board for his venting.
- From the book Everyday Ethics by Joshua Halberstam
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#517It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…
It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…
> Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it.
If you're interested in pushing back on this, the Podcasting 2.0 community welcomes you. Check out https://podcastindex.org/ for details.
Podcast 2.0 apps have more metadata, chapters, cover art that can change like a slideshow during an episode, etc.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#518It's unfortunate. Some of his guests are quite interesting. I appreciated him having Abby Martin on the show.
I have no idea why covid is such a popular topic on podcasts. Do people actually like hearing more about it, don't they already hear about it every day?
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#519Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, he was always that way and he was always a gateway drug to the alt-right.
He's had plenty of prominent leftist guests like Bernie Sanders, and most of his comedian and artist friends are left-leaning, and he leans left himself. How is this a gateway to the alt-right? At some point these accusations just become meaningless.
Joe Rogan leans left in the same way someone that starts their sentences with “I’m not rasist, but …” aren’t racists. It’s just a rhetorical device to convince you that they don’t believe in labels, and then they immediately use their actions and words to demonstrate that they fit the textbook description of the label.
> They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#520He's still a lot more influential than The Verge