Very surprised MATIC value didn’t drop on this news
SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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The crypto movement in South America is growing explicitly because people are increasingly not trusting their banks and government to protect their fiat. I've never heard of Zelle and not everyone has access to a clandestine US account, while anyone can buy open a crypto wallet and get some DAI.
Could you provide evidence or a citation of crypto uptake in South America?
If you follow local news, you see reports every day saying how growth is constant and spiking, this[1] Chilean headline reads "people who deal Bitcoin grow over 100% in a year" just to give a quick example. I suggest googling news for " criptomonedas" and you'll see most of them will have news of the sort from the past year at the most reflecting on just how many people are getting into it. Google trends for "crypto" for every country in South America have also spiked recently.
I also have anecdata, which is worthless of course but it's there. Nearly everyone I've spoken with who saves here either already has some crypto or is learning about it in order to get started.
[0] https://www.statista.com/chart/18345/crypto-currency-adoptio... [1] https://www.df.cl/noticias/mercados/bolsa-monedas/se-dispara...
Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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The flip side of that is any smart contract that stood the test of time should be rock solid. For example, there are huge incentives to go ahead and hack a big contract like maker, compound, uniswap or aave, so you can bet that there's highly qualified people out there trying to hack them as we speak, yet after all this time, they are still working as intended. I have a lot more trust in that kind of product than in…
Considering there are still new bugs found in chip designs, operating systems, and compilers that have been around 4 times as long as any cryptocurrency I have literally no idea why you would feel safe in “smart contracts.” At least if my bank account is hacked, I have a solid legal standing for compensation and I have good reason to believe centralized financial institutions will keep extensive documentation and log…
Not quite the same. Those codebases are much larger, often include legacy spaghetti code, or are closed source. This makes it more difficult to find exploits, not to mention there's not as clear of path of financial incentive.
Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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I don't think it's realistic to think that human judgment can leave the picture after the first deploy. New systems are fragile, requirements change, and mistakes happen. A certain level of trust is required in the founders of a project. And generally, they have long-term incentives that are aligned with your own.
So it implies the crypto maximalist takes on true trustlessness are not proving workable. At least in practice with lots of real users.
As we get proven/tested/formally verified code that implements governance protocols we can use that code to build system of allowing upgrades while allowing those who disagree to exit the system.
For example, one of the ZKRollup chains has a mechanism for upgrading that requires a small number of approvers for the “break glass” scenario. When an upgrade is approved, anyone can exit the network before the upgrade takes affect and move to a system with rules they support.
Governance models will evolve as we figure out what works and what doesn’t. Some people may be ok with a super majority being able to revert the state of a contract in response to a bug while others will want immutability at all costs.
Blockchain/cryptocurrency is about each participant deciding how much trust they are ok with, and having an open ecosystem where assets can be moved to systems that people want to use.
Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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// Knight lost half a billion dollars in 30 seconds. Nobody reversed though, even though it was clear error. You cited Knight twice in this thread, and it's just not the same concept. I think your point is that people should accept irreversible transactions in whole because there are some edge cases where they exist today, and that just doesn't make sense. First, there's a difference between an average person and Kni…
There’s no categorical difference between Knight and Vanguard. If Vanguard fucks up its trading, the exchange is not under any obligation to make it right. The only difference is that Knight was a lot more aggressive in terms of pushing the envelope on its algorithms to reap excess profit. I’m sure Vanguard is a lot more politically sympathetic, but I’d trust that “guarantee” a hell of a lot less than I’d trust battl…
The point is - do you aim to make the system fixable by human judgement or not? This thread is full of examples we like: the credit card protecting us from fraudulent charges, FDIC insurance, etc. Are there places in our life that society is forced to operate without such backstops? Yes. But we want to minimize, not maximize those - especially when it comes to consumer-facing capabilities.
Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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Yes, I could. You just did it, as did the 3 other replies. You double down and confirm my point. Like I said, I see the humor in it. It's culture. Every forum has a culture. That's why you came to the defense, even in absence of an attack. I know I won't change that, but I do want to explain my counter point by means of an example. You have absolutely no idea how deeply I hate Google. I could write books full of it.…
Shrug it's happening throughout technical circles, at least in the English-speaking world. It's one thing to try to push back against politics that you feel are harmful and disenfranchising, in purely political or social forums. It's another when technology forums develop taboos on what technology you can and cannot discuss. I agree it's cultural, but folks who are immersed in the culture don't seem to be willing to…
The US has always had a binary culture: winner/loser. Democrats vs Republicans. Success or failure. No room for nuance or a gray zone.
Nothing new, but now brought to truly explosive levels of polarization. We all know why.
This mentality has now made its way into everything. As an example, a lot of people, in this example non-tech people, instinctively reject crypto purely based on the narrative presented to them by the media they follow (which fits their world view) and their Twitter friends.
These people haven't spent a minute even trying to understand what it is, yet blindly follow an ever-narrowing behavioral group consensus.
Don't get me wrong, you may very well come to the conclusion that crypto is garbage, but wouldn't you first want to learn about it before you flat out reject it?
Another example is web development, in particular the community on Twitter. It's basically a radical feminist community now. Recently, a high profile account blasted the life's work of some guy. The guy responds that this pile-on ruined his day. The response: an army of angry women complaining about his "white tech bro" behavior. He was close to losing its job (and reputation) for pointing out that he did not appreciate the out-of-the-blue mass pile-on.
Does any of this sound reasonable, healthy, constructive?
Dismissing vastly complex topics without knowing a thing about it? Basing good or bad on group think, and rejecting everything else? Basing who is right or wrong based on ethnicity, gender, the like?
How very limiting life must be to look at the world through this lens. It has like 90% of pixels blacked out.
That's what I mean with the lack of self awareness. US people don't even see this anymore. It's normalized. When you point out they have a closed mind and binary world view, they make effort to show they're on the right side of that binary, failing to see the irony.
Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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Time for LawyerCoin (TM). The smart-contract is written in English (or other human language) and the oracles are powered by a bunch of lawyers who pinky swear to enforce them. I'm doing ICO next week, if anyone wants in.
We can do better than pinky swearing. Each lawyer gets mining fees when they enforce a contract fairly. "Fairly" is defined by consensus, where each lawyer is forced to predict the consensus before voting in a private ballot that is only revealed when the rewards are issued. Lawyers who predict the consensus get rewarded. If you start it off with people who are trying to be fair then predicting fairness will lead to…
This is incentivizing what they think will be the most popular verdict vs what they think is the proper verdict. That's a very big difference and failures will be inevitable.
Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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Because there's nothing interesting about them. They're just another variation on the same ol' "we peg our value to the dollar(*)!" pitch. The interesting stuff happens when they fail.
I couldn't disagree more. All of the projects I listed have radically different mechanisms, failure conditions, capital efficiencies, and value capture abilities. It's a fascinating space that is in its infancy. And you're missing projects that aren't pegged to the dollar, but instead have dampened volatility floating price targets — like Reflexer and OlympusDAO. It's a rich, beautiful corner of a rapidly growing spa…
I can't imagine what kind of mindset/value-system one has to have to find this stuff rich and beautiful. It's ponzis all the way down. I would call it disingenuous and grubby.
Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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Some agreed, others didn't and they decided to create a fork. Consensus doesn't require everyone to agree, just the majority
You're literally talking across yourself, at least that's how I read it. Your first comment [1] > As long as everyone agrees i see absolutely no problem and now > Some agreed, others didn't...Consensus doesn't require everyone to agree, just the majority So you literally just said there is a problem. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27666781
Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon
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Some agreed, others didn't and they decided to create a fork. Consensus doesn't require everyone to agree, just the majority
One way of reading this comment is that you concur that there's a problem.