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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jcelerier »

dboreham wrote: post #319
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

... why not just rent one for the day ?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by orthecreedence »

mindslight wrote: post #294
xwdv wrote: post #243

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None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.

I've happily carried plenty of lumber and even full sheets of plywood/drywall with my Civic. It fits 10' lengths inside, and sheets on the roof. What it lacks is capacity, and convenience for sheet stock. Recently I've gotten into towing trailers (on a light SUV), which seems like a great capability for the times that I need to transport more at once. If you're transporting large things frequently, I get the utility…

Don't know why you're getting downvoted. I feel the exact same way. OTA updates for my vehicle gives me the shivers. Why not build the fucking thing right the first time? Why does every machine need to be a supercomputer? At what point does it spend more energy thinking then it does getting me from A to B when I push down on a pedal?

I do really think the idea of an electric truck seems cool, and the F150 looks capable, but I'd rather not have yet another connected device. Give me dumb toasters, dumb refrigerators, dumb laundry machines, dumb vehicles. I'm tired of this "smart" bullshit. It doesn't need to be smart because I can tell it exactly what I want.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ortusdux »

Cshelton wrote: post #414
itsoktocry wrote: post #394

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> transparent info and pricing Sure, "transparent" pricing that can change on a whim, even after you've purchased the product. "Take-it-or-leave-it" delivery if you find flaws with your car. > Step three is me checking on the cyber truck status. Let me know when you take delivery of a Cybertruck for <40k, similar pricing to the Model 3, like the "transparent info" claims.

Tesla does not really have "Model Years". The vehicle is constantly changing week to week, and priced so. You just need to buy when you want and be happy with the product. Just like an Iphone! Also, other car manufactures actually change their prices all the time based on cost of materials, shipping, etc. The Dealer will change the price based on inventory space, cost to hold, etc. You just don't see it as much becau…

I've read several articles about when is the best time of month/year to buy from a dealer. Some say end of the month is best, because people are trying to meet their quotas. I've read an article written by a hostage negotiator about how to get the best price from a dealership.

I can list off the top of my head a good 20 or so considerations that would go into buying the right truck for my needs. All of them are more important to me than the famously shitty minutia of the actual sale process. Buying a vehicle is a whole can of worms, and Ford's site forces me to open than can before I can even start imagining life with my fancy new truck.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

hannasanarion wrote: post #340
bb123 wrote: post #97

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Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

> The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. Crumple zones don't help pedestrians. The new F-150 will be bigger and heavier than the absurdly huge early-00s Hummers. The hood is so tall and long that they're talking about putting forward-facing cameras inside the cab because you can't see anything in front of you shorter than 6" tall out the windshield. If Ford was interested in…

>Crumple zones don't help pedestrians.

Not the kind you're thinking of.

But the top half of the bulbous front end that basically every modern car has is mostly empty space and flimsy plastic to create what's basically a crumple zone for pedestrians.

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Post by macspoofing »

ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

That's not everyone's experience. My friend bought a Tesla last July, finally got to pick it up in September. During inspection he found a ton of major issues (obvious discolorations, and what looked liked sand under the paint, amongst other things) refused delivery and swore off the car because he didn't understand how they could even present the car to him in that condition.

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Post by scruple »

driverdan wrote: post #341
gilbetron wrote: post #262

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That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

And the 2004 is large compared to earlier small pickups. Vehicles keep getting unnecessarily larger.

I drove a 1997 Ford Ranger XLT Supercab for about 12 years. I recently came across a 2021 Ford Ranger while I was running some errands and have not been able to get it out of my head. It looked like it's practically twice the size of the 97 model. It's a full 12" longer, 8" wider, 6" taller... But the bed length has remained the same or gotten shorter. I don't pay any attention to this stuff but it is strange to me, I don't understand why mid-size and light-duty trucks are / feel so gargantuan today.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by aynyc »

This is a contractor's dream truck.

* Power supply. This thing supports ton of recharging of power tools. Lawn cares services will love this as more and more communities are banning gas-powdered tools.

* Range. 300 is well within most contractors' home to work site.

* Frunk. Lock away their valuable tools without unloading the toolbox.

* Look. It's what they know and trust. It's something new yet familiar.

Next step for Ford, make EV version of Transit. That'll sell like hot cakes!

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Post by TheHypnotist »

ben7799 wrote: post #349
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

I live in an apartment and am about to move to a house, I wish I had a truck right about now.

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Post by kingsuper20 »

a2tech wrote: post #196
toast0 wrote: post #153

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Fuel efficiency standards killed the small truck. In the turn of the century EV era, Ford had an electric Ranger which was built on the much smaller (at the time) Ranger platform. But you can't make an ICE small truck that meets the 200x updated CAFE standards, so the small trucks either disapeared (S10) or got bigger (toyota small trucks), or got bigger then disappeared and later reappeared still big (Ranger). An EV…

I have a few friends that are engineers in the auto companies. Its kind of amazing how many negative impacts the CAFE standards had--not on purpose (hopefully), but through unintended consequences. Apparently the Nissan Leaf for example was strictly manufactured to generate credits/offset the environmental impact of the Nissan truck and van line that could not be adjusted to meet the CAFE standards. My dad had a Rang…

>Apparently the Nissan Leaf for example was strictly manufactured to generate credits/offset the environmental impact of the Nissan truck and van line that could not be adjusted to meet the CAFE standards.

Which seems pretty crazy if the net effect is that any car manufacturer has to produce a full line if they want to build any inefficient cars.

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