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Post by skissane »

nicoburns wrote: post #394
toomanybeersies wrote: post #358

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You also get one on your 60th wedding anniversary. I organised one for my grandparents a couple of years back. They also received a card from the Prime Minister [of New Zealand], the Leader of the Opposition, their local MP, and a couple of other random politicians and dignitaries. It's not something that I thought about at the time, but I'm quite happy that it's something you need to apply for. It would be a bit dis…

Are birth, death and marriage records not public?

I don’t know about New Zealand, but nowadays in Australia recent births deaths and marriages records are only available to their subjects and close relatives. Two reasons (a) privacy (b) helps prevent identity theft, since birth certificates (and sometimes also marriage certificates) are often accepted as identity documents

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Post by callamdelaney »

teachrdan wrote: post #504
callamdelaney wrote: post #483

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Dan, the wealth of the monarchy is widely known; it owns billions in assets - graciously it donated the proceeds of these assets to directly to the treasury. They are literally net contributors on the basis of this alone.

I have to smile at this comment. The monarchy "owns billions in assets - graciously it donated the proceeds of these assets..." Where exactly do you think these assets came from? The monarchy's wealth came from the people and resources of the Commonwealth. The individuals who constitute the monarchy did nothing more than get born to the right people to inherit and control this wealth. > They are literally net contrib…

My point is not that she didn’t get it through being a part of the aristocracy; my point is that the royal family is a net contributor. 2019/2020 contributions to the treasury were £345,000,000[0] In the same year the monarchy were paid roughly £90m [1].

Last I checked it didn’t matter how one acquired something as long as one owns it. It’s really irrelevant how they came into that land.

[0] https://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/en-gb/media-and-insights/ne...

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/372882/uk-royal-family-e...

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Post by ephextom »

smcl wrote: post #500
ephextom wrote: post #202

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> "had little to no worries" - As an infant, was evacuated from Greece with his (and his family's) life in grave danger. Spent his childhood mostly estranged from his family - As a young man, served on a naval ship as part of the campaign to defeat fascist Germany and Japan. At least once helped save his ship's crew from a German bombing attack. Probably faced many other threats to his own life and to his comrades. -…

I'm not going to debate the pros and cons of a dead royal. It is indisputable that he led an incredibly privileged existence, try to think what the life of your average commoner also born in 1921 was like if you are not sure.

You brought it up and keep replying, so you've clearly got an axe to grind. Not a single person is denying he was privileged. Your implication is that a privileged life is a life of "little to no worries", which is frequently asserted by people who seek to attack the wealthy simply for being wealthy, but it is a deep misconception in most cases, and particularly so for a sovereign leader. I understand you feel it's important to express contempt for a rich person at the time of their passing, but that doesn't excuse falsehoods.

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Post by ksec »

F1Qy94GJ55 wrote: post #464
simonh wrote: post #428

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Let's just say it tells us an awful lot more about you than it does about him.

Am sorry if this touched a nerve because not everyone sees the British royal family as perhaps you do, I suppose I cannot reward service and loyalty to a cause alone, specially when the cause was colonization and oppression of many many other people.

>colonization and oppression of many many other people.

There are probably valid reason why Indian hate the Brits. But not all period and all colonisation are bad and involves oppression. And I am sure there are some good involves that people excluded for their own interest. AFAIK Modern India is united to become one because of the Brits. The Turks also at one point ruled India.

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Post by ksec »

TwBJHghcam wrote: post #474
jariel wrote: post #465

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You can think anything you want. The man had a very difficult upbringing, risked his life fighting Nazis and then did his family duty for the rest of his life. He was witty and funny until the end. Gandhi was a pedophile who slept with young boys and girls almost his entire life, and who refused 'foreign medicine' (antibiotics) on the basis of principle for his dying wife, but took 'foreign medicine' (quinine) to sav…

One mention of a relevant but unpopular opinion and we find ourselves at whataboutism and denigrating someone totally different targeted loosely based on a guess of the op's nationality (but guess this won't be flagged / taken down)

Then why do it in a new and obscure account?

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Y_Y wrote: post #488
boomboomsubban wrote: post #227

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They worshiped Philip because he visited and made a real impact on their life. To my knowledge, Charles hasn't done that, their only connection to him is through the journalists worshipping Philip has attracted. Logically, someone like Karl Pilkington should be the replacement.

> Anne, Princess Royal, visited Tanna Island in October 2014. She is the only daughter of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip. She sounds like a good candidate to me.

Agreed, if they had chosen her I would not count their motives as much.

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Post by philistine »

sgt101 wrote: post #161
philistine wrote: post #98

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I argue that because she focused so hard on being seen positively that she hurt the monarchy in the long run. Her son has nowhere to go but down. She also forced the British Supreme Court to invent the idea that advice given to her can be unlawful, and did not stay out of politics as you said: she was laser-focused on making sure her privileges and money didn’t get touched by denying Queen’s consent. https://www.theg…

"She didn’t want to have to wear seatbelts on public roads passing through her property." If this is your idea of a political issue then I strongly recommend the reading of newspapers and engagement with local institutions. Also, I am of "the public" and I knew, due to reading Private Eye which had reported on all this repeatedly for the last 10 or more years.

I gave a really stupid sounding example. How about the denial of rights to long-term leasers on her duchies?

Oh and maybe don't attack my character. My ideas can be vilified, but you don't know what I know or don't.

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Post by atat7024 »

fastball wrote: post #463
krapp wrote: post #449

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>See Harry & Meghan for what happens when you leave. You stay rich, wealthy and influential and parlay your newfound celebrity into millions of dollars' worth of streaming media and book deals? Oh no wait, sorry, they're just wealthy now but no longer obscenely wealthy. The horror.

Yeah, I'm pretty confused by the disconnect here. Harry and Megan was who I had in mind as a great example of how easy it is to leave. You just say "bye" and you get on Oprah, get exec positions at startups, get media deals... where is the downside?

This comment may not age well.

The truth is, we may never know the psychological pressures they've endured, or will.

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Post by dingaling »

aaronax wrote: post #308
iso1631 wrote: post #235

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In the pre internet days, when communication went through various manual means like telephone exchanges, there were codewords known by various people to announce royal deaths without it leaking. The death of the Queen for example has to be announced to all commonwealth country leaders at the exact same time, which means coordination, which means following certain plans, but limiting the information to make sure it's…

Since the code words are related to what they reference in some way, I find it difficult to believe that they were ever intended for a serious purpose. Maybe they are useful for clarity of communication in some way, but certainly not for secrecy (which would probably require randomly selecting names from a word list).

Tangential but that's also a key difference between US and UK codenames for military operations. uK names are picked from a list of deliberately neutral words ( SHADER and NEWCOMBE being two currently active ).
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