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Post by mjevans »

bmarquez wrote: post #395
ethbr0 wrote: post #377

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I think that's essentially saying that "Customers who stand in the town square screaming 'T-Mobile sucks!'" get attention faster than ones that send private letters to T-Mobile. It's sad, but at least we have a digital public square?

You can direct message @tmobilehelp on Twitter and you get access to the same representatives that respond to public complaints, without actually having to publicly complain. I'm not sure if this is intended behavior (or if it works with other companies), but it solves my problems quickly.

I don't use Twitter; at least I don't have an account with them. I do view some public twitter feeds others publish.

Does hacker news count as social media? This might be one of the only social media accounts I have.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by nmfisher »

jaredklewis wrote: post #502
dataflow wrote: post #127

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> Stripe and Twitter are pretty clearly the latter. They might be the latter, but I wouldn't consider it obvious. Regarding social media, we've gotten to the point where even US Visa applications ask for social media handles (and I understand they consider it as a negative datum if you don't provide one). And we're also at the point where some companies won't provide you with respectable service unless you @ them on…

I don't have a twitter account and login to Facebook once a month. If both went away tomorrow, my life would continue, very much as now. And I think this is true for most people. If my water, power, or internet was cut off, I would immediately suffer real, life changing inconvenience and hardship. To me, the difference between these things is incredibly stark.

If you were cut off from social media, payment processors, web hosts and mail providers, would you practically be able to launch a political campaign?

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by jakelazaroff »

adventured wrote: post #487
throw0101a wrote: post #465

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> But political affiliation is not a protected class. Perhaps these bans are happening not because of political affiliation but due to the messages these particular people (e.g., Trump) are espousing. Parler go banned because it's full of message calling for (e.g.) Mike Pence to be hanged and other such things, and Parler isn't / can't do much about it, and its infrastructure providers (AWS, app stores) do not want a…

Twitter is flooded with calls for violence 24/7. Exclusively left wing celebrities openly call for violence all the time on there, nobody does anything about it. That has been going on for the past four years non-stop. Actor Peter Fonda called for violently assaulting Trump's underage child on Twitter in 2018 (his account was not permanently banned), and that's very typical posting from leftist celebrities on Twitter…

> Thousands of violent posts were in the "Hang Mike Pence" Twitter trend that was going on the other day.

That trended because Trump supporters built a gallows and chanted “Hang Mike Pence” at the Capitol on Wednesday.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by systemvoltage »

plaidfuji wrote: post #505
systemvoltage wrote: post #481

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I am also worried. It feels like Big Tech flourished in last 4 years with advertisement revenue while staying hush about these issues, but all of a sudden they have an epiphany now. Big Tech leaders are selfish, cowards, clueless and just as vulnerable as the government leaders. They were interested in milking billions in Ads from these hate speech, particularly Twitter. If I were employees at these big companies, I…

I think their hesitation was less from missing out on the trump supporter ad traffic and more from fear of retribution of the trump administration and its congressional allies. That faction has now all but lost their political power for the foreseeable future, making it much less risky to undertake the censorship measures. Remember, two things happened at once: the riots, but also the result of the Georgia runoff whi…

You're right, all very good points that contrast my cynicism. I am even more worried that if an authoritarian government takes hold of power, corporations would go into survival mode. Look at AliBaba/Jack-Ma situation in extreme case, not sure if that's a fair example.

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Post by aww_dang »

perardi wrote: post #220
ohnohell wrote: post #142

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This argument went out the window when Amazon started infrastructure bans. "Build your own..." What? Internet? Country?

I would greatly appreciate if the Trumpists would go form their own nation.

I recognize that you were being facetious, but this is work a look.

Greater decentralization, smaller polities and a less powerful federal government could be a workable solution. It doesn't have to go to the point of secession. It is possible to respond with tolerance and let all sides live according to their wishes.

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Post by ineedasername »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #477
kayodelycaon wrote: post #418

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For the article in question, they are banning someone who blatantly committed criminal acts against the state. Literally an attempt by the president to overthrow the government. Treason is a crime that's enforceable with a death penalty.

For someone with such deep knowledge of the law you surely must know that a person can be considered a criminal only after being convicted by a court. So in this case the punishment was carried out based on allegations only.

They weren't criminal punishments. They were enforcements of ToS agreements. There's no need for an arrest, a conviction, or even a crime for them to ban users who violate ToS agreements. And, it being their own ToS, they don't need a court or any 3rd party to render judgment: they are the arbiter and interpreter of their own ToS and the enforcement actions taken.

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Post by briandear »

save_ferris wrote: post #475
johndevor wrote: post #316

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> Freedom of speech has nothing to do with newspapers or news, and never has done. If somebody speaks in the woods, and there's nobody there to hear it, do they make a sound? Yes, they technically have free speech, but in reality not really. The purpose of speech is that you might persuade somebody else. If there's nobody to talk to, you might as well not speak at all.

Freedom of speech as laid out in the 1st amendment protects individuals from being arrested or censored by the government for speech. It does not protect individuals who violate the TOS of a private company, nor does it provide blanket protection in all cases of speech. Inciting violence and making false statements of fact are not protected forms of speech under US law[0] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_s…

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Post by nur20212 »

staunch wrote: post #171

@dang there is some clearly abusive use of flagging to silence opposing views in this thread. A sign of just how intolerant so many people have become. Please do something about it, like removing flag permissions from these users or making flagged comments remain visible. This behavior is toxic.

yeah, it's a big problem. If you're going to allow political discussions you should remove voting and flagging for those posts.

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Post by [deleted] »

mjevans wrote: post #501
baumandm wrote: post #467

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Unfortunately I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that a large percentage of people across the political spectrum lack basic civics knowledge.

We make people take a test to drive. People should have to take a Civics based test to vote. If someone wants to vote but fails the civics test, they should then immediately qualify for a minimum living wage job to go back to public education and get paid for getting at least an 80% grade at whatever grade level they're working at (obviously with either enrollment at lower grade levels, classification as disability i…

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