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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

as the nazi minister of propaganda once said, "truth is the foundation of the press, and all we ask of it!"

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Regardless of where you stand, this is _blatant_ political bias (democrats) towards an equally valid opposing viewpoint (republican)

This is literally definition of a slippery slope where Google is going and would have caused an absolute outrage had it happened with the whole Russian election meddling 4 years ago. Let the freedom of expression take course, trying to control the narrative is exact opposite of democracy that Google screams they are trying to protect.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#513

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> But... There is no "buts" regarding freedom. I dont know if you have any experience with authoritarian measures but none of them starts like "This is a bad and permanent measure for no reason"... all of them are "exceptional", "to ensure public safety" ,"only valid as long as extraordinary circumstances are present"..all of them. The democrats were claiming fraud 4 years go due to a supposed Russian influence.The e…

> There is no "buts" regarding freedom. YouTube has the freedom to choose what content they stream on their website (to show ads/make money)

> The evidence was tenuous and circumstantial at best. True. But that’s a step up compared to the made up lies that go on nowadays.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#514

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> But... There is no "buts" regarding freedom. I dont know if you have any experience with authoritarian measures but none of them starts like "This is a bad and permanent measure for no reason"... all of them are "exceptional", "to ensure public safety" ,"only valid as long as extraordinary circumstances are present"..all of them. The democrats were claiming fraud 4 years go due to a supposed Russian influence.The e…

>https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-relea...

>The ICA correctly found the Russians interfered in our 2016 election to hurt Secretary Clinton and help the candidacy of Donald Trump

>The Committee finds the Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case that Russia engaged in an attempt to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Why do you say "supposed Russian influence" when a Republican led senate confirmed this?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#515

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA.

Citation needed?

The founding fathers owned newspapers & regularly fabricated stories about opponents. Ben Franklin openly wrote about it and he was far from alone.

William Randolph Hearst controlled a significant portion of newspapers & blatantly used used that power to manipulate public opinion, frequently with suspect information.

We went through a whole era of questionable news -- referred to as "yellow journalism": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

The fake news around the Gulf of Tonkin escalated the conflict into a relatively minor to what the US would call the Vietnam War.

The fake news about Iraq WMDs led to the disastrous second golf war.

Bill Clinton stood before the camera & said "I did not have sex with that woman" and his wife, HRC, said it was all "a ring wing conspiracy."

Obama said "if you like your health plan, you can keep it", which several newspapers defended & fact-checked as true, as until much later rating it as lie of the year.

Don't get me wrong. I despise Trump, I despise what's he's doing, and I want to see him removed. But if we're too be critical of him playing loose with facts, we can't be ourselves. And saying this is "peak" when it's likely only a local maxima seems dubious at best.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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post #515

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Citation needed? The founding fathers owned newspapers & regularly fabricated stories about opponents. Ben Franklin openly wrote about it and he was far from alone. William Randolph Hearst controlled a significant portion of newspapers & blatantly used used that power to manipulate public opinion, frequently with suspect inform…

It's a matter of degree. The _degree_ of constant lying the current president does is absolutely insane.

I don't like what YouTube is doing either, but it's really hard to say what any other alternative is at this point.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#518

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA

Who cares?! As you said, Fox is crappy news so they don't get my business. Same thing with (generally) MSNBC and others. To answer the next question: The Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Shepard Smith

> it's one of those "least worst" choices I respectfully and completely disagree. This is policing thought. Things are not worse than they have been before. The communist witch hunts of the 50s is one example. A lot of the things FDR did were marginal (turned out alright though). Once you start controlling freedom of expression, you own all expression. No one is smart enough. The free market may suck in the short run, but in the long run it will work out.

One perfect example of this: > The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis Yep, and HE LOST! His lying was a significant factor in this loss. Come January he won't be the POTUS.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#519

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

lol. you're brainwashed if you believe the lies of the legacy media. this election was stolen. there's so much evidence. video evidence, affidavits, forensic evidence of voting machines, proof of tens of thousands of underage people voting, and so much more.

Pennsylvania: 1.8 million ballots mailed out, 2.5 million ballots received. Hello?

Trump won and Biden stole it.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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post #289

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

This is slippery slope fallacy. I don't think YouTube removing genuially harmful and false content is really comparable to CCP's suppression of opposing views.

"genuinely harmful" and that's how it's sold
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