Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

AirPods Max

apple.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

511–520 of 1001 posts

Re: AirPods Max

#511

Post by lostgame »

kossTKR wrote: post #505
lostgame wrote: post #33

Is there still latency? E.G. when I open GarageBand, and hit a piano key - is there still a bloody whole second delay before I hear it in my ‘AirPods Pro’ with a ‘custom’ W1 chip on a device supposedly made for creatives? No, really. For creators, this might be the worst value proposition I’ve ever seen. $550 USD for headphones that can’t operate without latency. If it wasn’t for the wheels or the stand on the Mac Pr…

I have no idea why people are downvoting you. I think these headphones look awesome but BT latency is beyond ridiculous - i can currently game on a server in 4K 60hz that's a about 600 miles away with 16ms of latency via WIFI from button press to "already decoded 4k video on my screen" on an old laptop (Shadow-PC, stadia like service). That you can't get low bitrate audio decoded in less than 300ms less than a metre…

The people who are downvoting me have clearly never tried GarageBand on an iPhone with wireless headphones.

I'd be alright with 200ms. That they prioritized going wireless so, so intensely, and completely; fully ignored this issue is absolute tripe.

These are about as useful as those $900 Mac Pro wheels that have no lock and thusly are only even effective if you have a flat floor.

Similarly, these headphones only work if you want to listen to audio - for any creative use whatsoever any given pair of headphones is better.

I just don't get Apple anymore.

Re: AirPods Max

#512

Post by bstar77 »

eertami wrote: post #113

$549!? That puts it in the same price category as: Sennheiser HD660S, Audeze LCD-1, Beyerdynamic DT1770/1990, Grado RS2e, among many many others. Honestly, I don't understand why you would buy these when there are a lot of established professional audio companies offering better sound at a cheaper price. At least airpods have a unique selling point in their portability and ux but I don't see how this benefits over-ea…

While I agree that sound quality is likely much better with those headphones you listed, they all require an external dac/amp to realize that quality. For high end, wireless, noise cancelling headphones, this might be appropriately priced.

Re: AirPods Max

#513

Post by totaldude87 »

Just saw the product video, jeez the placement of that digital crown, almost in a head scratching position

Also this one falls under using lighting, flip of a coin

Re: AirPods Max

#514

Post by Dwolb »

eertami wrote: post #113

$549!? That puts it in the same price category as: Sennheiser HD660S, Audeze LCD-1, Beyerdynamic DT1770/1990, Grado RS2e, among many many others. Honestly, I don't understand why you would buy these when there are a lot of established professional audio companies offering better sound at a cheaper price. At least airpods have a unique selling point in their portability and ux but I don't see how this benefits over-ea…

Does everyone here realize how incredibly huge Apple's audio business is? Their Wearables, Home, and Accessories business did $30B last year. If AirPods are even 1/5th of that category, that's a $36 business.

For comparison, Sennheiser did about $1B in revenue and Bose did $3.6B.

Are are absolutely huge and capable of surpassing every single company in terms of product and audio quality.

Re: AirPods Max

#515

Post by capnorange »

mrtksn wrote: post #162

Oh, I find it fascinating how the audio gear industry has taught the consumers on how much money you are supposed to spend to have audio experience at certain level. Pay attention on audiophile arguments, they will talk in terms of money(i.e. 150$ headphones vs 500$ headphones) when talking about audio quality. I always find the audiophile market to be borderline fraud. They sell CD demagnetisers, ceramic cable lifte…

yeah, seems similar to the shutterbugs. Blind camera tests have widely different opinion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbeEkwlTeqQ.

Re: AirPods Max

#516

Post by 0x008 »

hocuspocus wrote: post #451
perfectstorm wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that this 'allows' Bose and Sony to raise their prices causing everything to normalize around $500 price range. Remember the original pixel (or nexus)? they were priced around $350-$400 and look where they are now ($700).

I don't really see how that would work. The Sony XM3 and Bose QC35 II were regularly under €180 (VAT included) in the past days. Who's going to suddenly pay more than twice for the same? And the original Nexus was expensive. So was the original Pixel. You can't really draw any conclusions from Google's inconsistent smartphone lineup and pricing over the past decade. Cheap Nexus phones: 4, 5, maybe the 5X if you waite…

Bose launched new headphones at $400 and sell the old ones (3year old tech) at $180.

So they will launch a „new improved“ line to compete at the $500 price bracket.

Re: AirPods Max

#517

Post by robenkleene »

codegladiator wrote: post #262
mrtksn wrote: post #162

Oh, I find it fascinating how the audio gear industry has taught the consumers on how much money you are supposed to spend to have audio experience at certain level. Pay attention on audiophile arguments, they will talk in terms of money(i.e. 150$ headphones vs 500$ headphones) when talking about audio quality. I always find the audiophile market to be borderline fraud. They sell CD demagnetisers, ceramic cable lifte…

> Apple is my hero in that regard How does apple becomes your hero when they are selling the same thing ? > deeply troubling subculture where passionately debating about very expensive cables and gadgets without ever being able to pass a blind test on the claims is the norm, almost like cargo cult That sounds like the apple cult. > quickly pushing you on the money-spend-for-audio-performance scale where you are simpl…

> deeply troubling subculture where passionately debating about very expensive cables and gadgets without ever being able to pass a blind test on the claims is the norm, almost like cargo cult

> That sounds like the apple cult.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but this statement on its face is absurd. The equivalent comparison to "without ever being able to pass a blind test" would be running macOS on a computer where you've hidden the Apple logo, and seeing if people can tell whether it's Windows.

You may have valid problems with Apple's users, but you haven't provided any evidence that it has anything in common with audiophile culture, and the comparison makes no sense on its face as described by the parent comment.

Re: AirPods Max

#518

Post by temporallobe »

eertami wrote: post #113

$549!? That puts it in the same price category as: Sennheiser HD660S, Audeze LCD-1, Beyerdynamic DT1770/1990, Grado RS2e, among many many others. Honestly, I don't understand why you would buy these when there are a lot of established professional audio companies offering better sound at a cheaper price. At least airpods have a unique selling point in their portability and ux but I don't see how this benefits over-ea…

For the record, the best headphones in the world are the Sony MDR-7506s, which sell for less than $100 in the US. These are well-known in the audio production and musician world and are prized for their accuracy, frequency response, comfort, and output. I’ve tried plenty of other high-end cans including a few $1000+ audiophile-realm models but just didn’t connect with any of them. In fact, I’ve owned many pairs over the past 2 decades and I just keep buying these when the get too tattered. I still have my first pair and they still sound as good as the day I bought them.

Re: AirPods Max

#519

Post by whyoh »

saberdancer wrote: post #152
kishinmanglani wrote: post #132

I'm a sucker. I just bought them. I love being able to switch between my iPhone and my Mac on my AirPods. I have the Sony MX3's, and they are great. I don't like toggling between devices and having it automatically connect to my last used device, have to disconnect it from one, blah, blah. This is what Apple does. They raise prices. People are stunned initially. Others follow, then those prices are the norm. iPhone w…

Toggling between devices really needs to be implemented better. Wouldn't it be possible for headphones to have a button to switch "inputs" between devices they are paired to? I've come to use NFC to switch quickly to my phone, but I can't really NFC back to my PC as easily. Several awkward clicks and menus later I can start using them on my PC. Not a huge deal sure, but for a premium device I'd expect something more…

>but I can't really NFC back to my PC as easily

It should be doable with an NFC sticker switch. (With NFC Tasks on Android, for example.)

Re: AirPods Max

#520

Post by rootusrootus »

eertami wrote: post #113

$549!? That puts it in the same price category as: Sennheiser HD660S, Audeze LCD-1, Beyerdynamic DT1770/1990, Grado RS2e, among many many others. Honestly, I don't understand why you would buy these when there are a lot of established professional audio companies offering better sound at a cheaper price. At least airpods have a unique selling point in their portability and ux but I don't see how this benefits over-ea…

Apple has made excellent headphones in the past, and at a competitive price point. For a long time their IEMs were a strongly recommended option for people who wanted excellent headphones at a pretty reasonable price. It's entirely possible that these headphones will also be competitive with headphones from other established companies that sell for a higher price. This is the same company that just brought us the M1, so we know they have hired plenty of engineering talent.
Post reply on HN