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#511
We're a bunch of smart people here. What kind of a system can we come up with that cannot be ignored by multinationals to reap the benefits of FLOSS?

Do people really care about licenses? Large companies will bury you in costs before you get paid, right? I think by that time it's too late.

The obligation to reach towards the wallet should be earlier. As somebody mentioned somewhere, I think bounties would make sense. The dev can work in anything they like, but can be incentivised to work on something specific if a bounty is on it.

For that however, we would need a third party system where people can pay into a pot for a specific goal, define the key items that have to be fulfilled, and only when they are fulfilled + validated by a third party, is the money paid out.

Or something like that. What other ideas do you smart folk have?

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see that a passion to please can be disappointed if there is no reciprocity. But a passion to build great technology should not depend on who starts using it.

I don't think his passion depends who is using his software, but rather his passion is being eroded by users constantly taking without giving back.

Maybe one's passion starts to dwindle when one's house burns down.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Naming suspects in these cases seems so weird from a non-US perspective, there's not even been a court case. As I understand it, the original reason for this is to prevent the police from simply making people disappear. It's a public check on what the police and government do to people.

Even in that case is the WRONG solution to a problem.

Then what is the better solution? Saying it's wrong without giving alternatives isn't a very useful comment imho.

edit: And the solution needs to apply to the US, with all it's brokenness, not some other country with different social structures.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all those people in this thread praising his work, now's the time to put your money where the mouth is. If you have used his work, push your companies to sponsor/donate. Asking irrelevant questions like whether he has a job does not help the situation. The community's response to events like this is what determines the future of open source. People like to complain about copyleft vs libre licenses. But if you hav…

I feel for him being in his tough spot, but let's be clear on what faker.js is. I suspect many companies (like mine) use it to create "decent"-looking data for tests. But we could trivially do without it, and basically just used it because it was there. I contrast this with some other open source projects we use that we specifically contribute to (using GitHub donations) because they are central libraries to our code…

How often have you implemented a trivial feature and, after adding tests, debugging, doing code review, etc, you find it’s taken a nontrivial amount of time. And it’ll likely take maintenance too as you learn what you need (easier when you’ve seen it done already).

Most of these trivial things probably take nontrivial time, and if you add all of them together for all the trivial projects you use, it’s probably saved a really serious chunk of time.

The ocean is made of “trivial” drops of water, yada yada.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#515
Anyone arguing how 'this is not the way to do it', 'lol open source Dev what did he expect' or explains how they have been using his software 'but it's not that important' are the Republicans of the development community. Fucking shameful to see people talk like this about folks who do good, open and free work to make things better. Go and look yourself in the mirror and repeate those words. One day your corporate owners might so the same to you.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#516
Problem: You want to make money for all the work you do your open-source project. But no one pays for it.

Reason: Developers choose your project, and developers are at the bottom of the food chain. They have no authority to spend money, usually, or they get pushback and delays if they do.

Solution: Band together with the authors of related projects and create a new closed-source product, taking bits of your various codebases. For instance, what if Faker.js and other similar libraries banded together into a corporation, and sold a multi-language mocking/stubbing/faking toolset? It would be easier to go to your boss, show them the product, and convince them to pay for it, since it now encompasses multiple things your dev team needs.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#517
I calculated that so far I saved with my pro-bono work in open source and documentation around 2,085,000 million hours of professional labor.

Now my hourly rate is 100 bucks, so that's about 200M worth of labor that ended up in other peoples pockets.

I could probably retire now. In a just world, we might give people credit for this kind of work or we would organize our commons more sensibly.

But in the world today, value is siphoned up - and the siphon is a very well tuned siphon.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#519
post #348

I am not religious but labourers in the vineyard stuck with me from school: The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble(D) against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they…

This landover should not be surprised if workers start tp show up late as a rule. After all, showing up late means same money for less work. In modern world, of course business owner can set salaries however, but should accept consequences on turnover and company culture.

Yeah, it's not a very good story. There are a few possible outcomes.

1. All workers start showing up later, thus the employer is motivated incentivize those who show up earlier.

2. Instead of raising wages, the employer limit the number of available position, thus incentivizing workers to show up earlier in order to be paid the denarius whereas those that show up later risked not getting the work and therefor lowered the statistical amount of money they can earn over time.

3. The workers organize together and mutually decide to bargain with the employer as a group for work hours and wages.

4. Scabs decide to work for the employer at an increased rate of 1.5 denarii.

5. Half of the crops rot on the vines, the employer raises the price of the wine to double it's original amount to recoup the losses.

6. The employer spends some additional money on lobbyists to convince Roman governors that their business is too important to fail, and receives a bailout.

7. The original workers and their families starve to death or turn to crime.

8. The bureaucrats and landowners profit and the scabs are forced to take 0.75 denarii as their wages because they have no bargaining power and they fear starvation as their contemporaries were made an example of.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

#520

Anyone arguing how 'this is not the way to do it', 'lol open source Dev what did he expect' or explains how they have been using his software 'but it's not that important' are the Republicans of the development community. Fucking shameful to see people talk like this about folks who do good, open and free work to make things better. Go and look yourself in the mirror and repeate those words. One day your corporate ow…

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