Oculus Quest 2 • Hacker News Board

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by TeMPOraL » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:06 AM UTC

cma wrote: post #472

adjkant wrote: post #457

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> Even worse, if someone "near" you in an official Facebook VR space blocks or reports a user, even if you're just minding your own business, your behavior (including motions and speech) may be tracked by these same silent, invisible Facebook moderators. That data can be stored on Facebook's servers indefinitely without you being notified. Yikes

If you are mean in the wrong way in moment of passion after missing a putt in a game of minigolf in Facebook Horizons, your Facebook small-business page may be shut down. For many people this could remove their livelihood entirely. China's social credit system will need to keep pace or be horribly left behind.

Gotta love the XXI century.

Here I thought Google was the most ridiculous: if you post too many emojis on a YouTube livestream, you'll lose access to GMail, Google Drive, and all other services that are quite likely running your digital life and are important for your livelihood.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by jon-wood » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:07 AM UTC

t0mbstone wrote: post #202

jon-wood wrote: post #169

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> Wireless VR is a big problem right now, it's expensive, doesn't work well, and for it's price you might as well get better hardware. There’s an app for the Quest called Virtual Desktop that allows streaming SteamVR over WiFi, which on a good network is almost indistinguishable from wired VR. Playing Half-Life: Alyx without being tethered to your computer is a pretty awesome experience.

and by "almost indistinguishable" you mean "nauseating lag every time you turn your head"

No, I mean "almost indistinguishable" on a good network. I did use it once on a network where the Quest would occasionally drop down from a 5Ghz connection to a 2.4Ghz connection, and in that case you could definitely tell by the additional latency.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by jon-wood » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 AM UTC

worldsayshi wrote: post #274

jon-wood wrote: post #163

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Occulus Link allows tethering to a PC via a USB cable, and Virtual Desktop can do SteamVR over WiFi. When I first heard of Virtual Desktop I was dubious, but on a good quality network it’s ridiculously good.

Indeed, I was very sceptical that it would work on my ISP provided wifi-router but it worked flawlessly. Although I've only played Alyx where you probably have some subconscious latency tolerance. It's so strange that they don't package wifi based oculus link as an out of the box feature.

It wouldn't surprise me to see it appear as a standard feature at some point, but it'll take a while for them to tune it to properly cope with all the awful wireless access points out there. Virtual Desktop can get away with occasionally having problems connecting to your computer, or latency introduced by being on a bad network, because its 3rd party software which requires a bit of technical knowledge just to be able to get it installed with SteamVR support. That filters out the people who aren't going to understand the concept of network latency somewhat, but having it as a standard feature would mean anyone with £300 to spend on a Quest is going to expect it to work perfectly everytime.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by whywhywhywhy » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:12 AM UTC

I still don't understand why Facebook management has allowed Instagram and WhatsApp to exist where they pretend your account is a separate entity to Facebook and just makes do with having it linked via shadow profile.

Yet with Oculus they're being so hard and forcing it into the FB infrastructure at the most critical point in it's lifespan. Most tech critics of it are all perfectly happy using Instagram, I just don't understand why Oculus accounts couldn't have just remained the same as that other than some executive being judged by some poorly thought out metrics and using this to meet them.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by polskibus » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:12 AM UTC

I wonder about the CPU&GPU performance of Quest 2. The biggest pain point of Quest 1 was low detail in the scenes in supported games, mainly due to low spec. I know it's a compromise when you are not hooked with a cable to a PC, but I wish they could use Apple's fastest ARM CPUs :)

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by rewq4321 » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:14 AM UTC

fuzxi wrote: post #487

MrStonedOne wrote: post #407

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Why should businesses get a pass but not normal users?

Because businesses buy in bulk. Regular users have to make up the difference by trading in personal data.

Couldn't someone set up a "business" that proxy-buys for a large number of people? There's obviously a decent market for non-facebook-login version of the Quest 2.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by ameen » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:15 AM UTC

esistgut wrote: post #505

kruczek wrote: post #493

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I'd say all it means is I value my data above $700, which I understand is not the case with many people. If I would not have enough disposable income, then I wouldn't buy Index nor Quest.

I'm not familiar with the Facebook integrations on the Oculus, can you clarify how the use the these devices would force you to give up your data?

Classic knee-jerk reaction. Don’t use Facebook and they literally can’t do anything with their data. I’ve stopped using FB beyond messenger and I doubt my data helps them in anyway shape or form.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by wensley » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:23 AM UTC

Is is possible to quickly buy a quest 1 this month and be able to use an Occulus account?

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by kruczek » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:29 AM UTC

esistgut wrote: post #505

kruczek wrote: post #493

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I'd say all it means is I value my data above $700, which I understand is not the case with many people. If I would not have enough disposable income, then I wouldn't buy Index nor Quest.

I'm not familiar with the Facebook integrations on the Oculus, can you clarify how the use the these devices would force you to give up your data?

Quest 2 requires to have a Facebook account linked. And to have a Facebook account you need to provide phone number and real name (as per their TOS). If I provide fake information, they may terminate my account. And if they do so, I fear it would make that $299 piece of hardware useless.

Besides, knowing Facebook's hunger for data, I certainly don't trust them enough to install any piece of their software on my PC. Nor do I trust them enough to use a device which could potentially identify some unique traits of the way I move in VR (akin to gait analysis).

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by bhouston » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

aero-glide wrote: post #508

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

Yes. I hope someday mobile devices(like phones and VR sets) become like laptops - you can install an OS you want. You should own the hardware. I'm not a fan of the whole hardware-software integration.

You can hope for this but it is more likely to be like mobile phones.