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People love to hate on Apple but the fact is, they continue to release features to better showcase or restrict developers that abuse your privacy. The "walled garden" also ensures they apply a ton of checks to apps to better restrict abuses. Sometimes it's overly sensitive and bad things happen, but in general it's awesome that over time it becomes harder and harder to get away with apps blatantly spying on you.

I am certainly happy about the steady pro-privacy process. I personally consider Apple full of shit until two features are released: 1. Contact sharing needs a complete overhaul. Some apps need to have access to my contacts. I get this. But they only need the name and the phone number. They don’t need addresses, birthdays and additional notes I put in m contacts. Sure, I could have a separate contacts app with "meta…

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Re: iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents every few keystrokes

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Looks like photos is addressed in iOS 14 https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/24/apple-fine-tunes-... Agree tighter control over contacts sharing would be nice but I don’t think it’s malicious on Apple’s part that this isn’t possible - they’ve quite clearly shown they are on the side of user privacy, but they do also tend to move at a fairly slow pace

The choice of only allowing access to specific actual photos seems an unusual one. I would have thought there was a big debate in Product Mgmt over this vs the more obvious allow an app access to a given album. One presumes the sticking point came when someone took a photo out of an album. Does that mean they are explicitly removing access? I don't see it as a huge issue... maybe there is some kind of technical hurdl…

I take a lot of photos and I use the album feature a lot. But when I am going to for example post a photo to Instagram I don’t at all want to have to put the photo in a dedicated Instagram album just so I can post it. That is to say, one mans “obvious solution” can be another mans annoyance.

Re: iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents every few keystrokes

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I've been trying to bring the clipboard privacy issue to people's attention for awhile.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21383241

Happy to see it's going mainstream. I'm hopeful that iOS 14 will provide a way to limit this behavior on a per-app basis.

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My bank (bunq) offers me to pay the iban (european bank account number) as soon as I open the app with an iban on te clipboard. That's the same, isn't it?

In the twitter video Tik Tok is pasting from Instagram though. I also don't know why Tik Tok would be looking for text on the clipboard (to be fair I've never used Tik Tok though).

Re: iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents every few keystrokes

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"It seems like a ton of apps are abusing this feature:" Honest question: Why do we need this feature? As a user, I am happy to sacrafice whatever benefit it provides -- to end users -- to stop the abuse. Obviously the feature provides benefits to app developer personal data collectors. OK by me to remove feature.

I've never seen a "I will paste your clipboard for you" feature be used in any app, ever.

Discord and other apps will paste in one-time codes from the clipboard. Copy code from an authenticator app and switch back to the app. The code gets auto-pasted into the box.

It's pretty handy since paste itself is a somewhat cumbersome shortcut on many keyboardless devices.

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The choice of only allowing access to specific actual photos seems an unusual one. I would have thought there was a big debate in Product Mgmt over this vs the more obvious allow an app access to a given album. One presumes the sticking point came when someone took a photo out of an album. Does that mean they are explicitly removing access? I don't see it as a huge issue... maybe there is some kind of technical hurdl…

Do normal people really use albums? Other than the autogenerated ones I have a single one, from 2013.

My wife is not in a tech related industry, so I consider her "normal," and yes, she does use albums.

She has albums for work stuff. She has albums for home decorating ideas. She has albums for the various screenshots she collects of things she wants to remember. She has albums for different places she's been.

I know that the people she's friends with use albums because I've heard it mentioned.

I think normal people use albums. Tech people don't. Which explains why a company like Apple, that tries hard to court normal people, not tech people, has them.

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The difference is one problem is trivially solvable. If an app isn't allowed to read the clipboard the problem is solved. Smart people choose solutions that actually solve the issue when those solutions exist rather than just making some guideline and praying people read it.

Companies developing apps should be held accountable for their decisions, i.e. spying on the clipboard in this case. Don't excuse them with the reason "well it was easy to do, so it's ok" that's like saying "well my car was stolen, but it was easy to break the lock so it's ok"

By this logic, how do you trust Apple? they're a famously blackbox company with access to all your data. just because they say they're not data mining you, doesn't mean they are not.

slippery slope arguments go all the way to the bottom

Re: iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents every few keystrokes

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"It seems like a ton of apps are abusing this feature:" Honest question: Why do we need this feature? As a user, I am happy to sacrafice whatever benefit it provides -- to end users -- to stop the abuse. Obviously the feature provides benefits to app developer personal data collectors. OK by me to remove feature.

I've never seen a "I will paste your clipboard for you" feature be used in any app, ever.

One I use regularly is that Chrome on iOS does it when you open a new tab. It offers to search for the text in clipboard or go to the URL if it's URL format.
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