Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

Post by guilamu » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 11:16 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #492

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I totally agree with you, there's a very high probability that the Chinese gov is recording everything. But is that any better than being 100 % sure that the US gov is doing it? I mean, what is the point of "the Chinese may be listening this is horrible!" when we know for a fact that the US are listening and most probably multiple european countries. Nowadays, you must assume that whatever you do online is recorded b…

I am more worried about dictatorships recording everything than other regimes. Does not excuse recording at all, just an appreciation of the level of risk.

Post by feanaro » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 11:51 AM UTC

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> not the privacy issue part But that's an integral part of the product. There is a lot of reason for suspicion floating around the company and the product itself, and the long string of security screwups and misdirection confirms every bit of that. What's the point of having even good functionality if it comes attached to such concerns? Most products have a good side but choosing one is always about picking what's t…

No, for the majority of people that is a part of the product they do not care about. That's educated tech people at Google, which had to forbid the use of Zoom, and high school teachers alike. Subtle yet severe privacy invasions do not matter to the glaring majority of people because they cannot associate it with direct consequences. If I have been using Zoom and the Chinese government now has 200 hours of my facial…

Post by jgaa » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 12:15 PM UTC

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It's time for western companies to stop pretending it's possible to be economically successful in China whilst remaining true to their purported western values.

> whilst remaining true to their purported western values The issue is of course that none of the big corporates give a rat's ass about any these "western values".

Post by microcolonel » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 12:33 PM UTC

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> Curious, did you background check every employee/contractor to make sure they are Chinese race free? That's immoral, illegal, and silly; effectively nobody is doing this, and if most people found out about that, they would try to put a stop to it. The PRC is a state, that state does not have a monopoly on representing any race. This is not a Chinese people problem, it's a CCP problem. Chinese people in the ROC don'…

> effectively nobody is doing this effectively every US media is name calling companies/universities who have a slightest business with China or Chinese people.

Post by kup0 » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 12:53 PM UTC

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The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/3/21279355/zoom-end-encrypti...

That source doesn't support the GP comment. End-to-end encryption 1. doesn't exist yet for any user, and 2. does not mean free user calls will be less encrypted than they are today with server-client encryption. Zoom is not claiming that paid calls today are E2E encrypted.