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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by selimthegrim »

filoleg wrote: post #366
untog wrote: post #332

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Then why does it matter whether he is a "saint" or not? I could see your argument if he was angrily brandishing a gun and they had to make a quick decision to act, but that's very obviously not the case.

Exactly. He could have done whatever criminal things prior, but it has nothing to do with the specific scenario. He wasn't resisting arrest and was unjustly killed. Whatever he has done in the past has no bearing on it. People tend to forget that others are just mere humans, and no one is a saint. Ffs, even MLK, for all the great progress he brought about, was cheating on his wife, which is imo pretty immoral and uni…

He plagiarized part of his thesis too, but this kind of begs the question what constitutes plagiarism in theology.

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Post by oh_sigh »

pwinnski wrote: post #146
ravenstine wrote: post #139

A reporter at my previous workplace, KPCC, was shot in the neck with a rubber bullet on Saturday. https://laist.com/2020/05/31/reporters_injured_protests_poli... It's unfortunate that it's gotten to this point for people to take police brutality at least somewhat seriously. I'm mistaken for being pro-police and anti-BLM merely because I'm against the looting and rioting. I've always had the stance that the police in…

I recently read that if you tend to think, "it's a shame that black people are being killed by cops like this, but the rioting and looting MUST stop," perhaps you should consider thinking more like, "it's a shame that there is rioting and looting, but black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop."

I'd imagine the general public wants both to stop.

It's not a choice to make for one or the other.

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Post by selimthegrim »

staticassertion wrote: post #200
selimthegrim wrote: post #195

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This is them shaking the public down and saying they decide which laws to enforce.

Agreed, I actually think it's both - it's punishing the public and shifting the story.

The Seattle PD tried this during the 2001 Mardi Gras riots. It earned the police chief (Kerlikowske) a higher level position

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Post by detaro »

oh_sigh wrote: post #504
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Consider that the police are heavily networked, whereas the crowd is not. It's possible that one section of the crowd is antagonizing the police, the police respond as a whole, but you have no idea why because you were 200' away in a different section of the crowd and didn't know about what that other section was doing. > that the police is desperately trying to set a narrative to justify a history of violence by esc…

I'd say people misbehaving doesn't justify attacking non-violent people 200' away from that. Many examples of the recent days can not explained by "someone nearby did something, so it was an unlucky accident", and their police departments and local governments don't seem to care all that much. Which is fueling the anger, given this happens at protests against overreacting/overly aggressive police.

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Post by pnako »

davidw wrote: post #458
chillwaves wrote: post #399

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That's your take-away from all this? You really felt this comment needs to exist? It's interesting what some people's priorities are.

Do you have anything substantive to say? Do you disagree that this behavior - assaulting journailsts - is fascist? Calling them the 'enemy of the people'? One of my senators used it as well and that's not the kind of thing they toss around lightly. https://twitter.com/RonWyden/status/1267605801549664256

It's not specifically fascist, in the sense that many groups are doing it, and it's not exactly a central tenet of fascism. Mussolini was himself a journalist.

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Post by leetcrew »

oh_sigh wrote: post #510
viraptor wrote: post #280

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You understand why the protests started though, right? It's not like the protesters can say "ok, if we stop protesting now, will you please consider following the law?" How to you expect protesters to deescalate this with absolutely nothing changing and high level LE people still not accepting any blame and pushing for military help?

You understand why US cops are so heavy handed though, right? It may be because they have to deal with a population with 3 guns per capita, where the amount of police killed per year on duty(even disregarding accidents) is more akin to a third world country than anything going on in the EU. > and high level LE people still not accepting any blame I don't know how you get that from OP saying that both sides need to de…

> It may be because they have to deal with a population with 3 guns per capita

where did you find this figure? this is off by more than a factor of two from any source I can find.

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Post by benmw333 »

mcv wrote: post #476
MDWolinski wrote: post #447

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Except for the "Open States Up" protests that occurred that had hospital personal begging the protestors to let the emergency vehicles through. But that's a different type of crowd.

I don't remember hearing anything about police dispersing those crowds with tear gas. I wonder why.

I'm gunna go ahead and assume it was due to the the lack of violence and looting.

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Post by manigandham »

krapp wrote: post #490
rayiner wrote: post #471

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Yeah, I don’t believe it. Rioting is natural human behavior. In Bangladesh we have violent riots after every election. The police aren’t instigating them, they are nowhere to be found. Why would I believe that Americans are any different?

>Why would I believe that Americans are any different? We don't have violent riots after every election, for one thing.

America certainly had violent riots during elections. Also after sports games. It happens.

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Post by ABeeSea »

jariel wrote: post #496
zouhair wrote: post #163

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It's actually worse than that. Even in the killing of Floyd the Police claimed he resisted arrest, which was a lie[0], the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]. They did all this amidst a huge public outcry, what do you think happens to some poor schmuck when no camera is around. Like this[2] and this[3]......... EDIT: Here is one wher…

First, this evidence there was 'no resistance' is not evidence at all, in fact, the claim by CNN is 'the lie'. There are many minutes of the interaction we don't have insight into, in particular the moments leading up to the 'kneeling'. That doesn't mean the police are not lying, but it definitely means the 'proof' offered by CNN is not 'proof'. Also, city coroner made one claim, the coroner hired by the family made…

The county coroner changed their report and labeled the death a homicide after the outcry that the original report was a cover-up. They no longer have any credibility.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867219130/george-floyd-indepe...

> In charging documents released last week, prosecutors said that preliminary results from an autopsy "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

>However the new report from the medical examiner did not include such language.

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Post by mchusma »

I have been trying to think of good, relatively simple policy decisions that can make a large impact. I have not heard too many proposed besides removing qualified immunity. I would be curious what ideas people have:

Ideas include: -Banning police unions -Having a federal agency to discipline police (outside the purview of local politics)

I haven't heard this idea elsewhere but I like the idea of us addressing from the top down the fact that we have the highest incarceration rate in the world at 698 per 1,000 currently. This is something like 10x some comparable countries, and at least 3x any country we consider "free" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_ra...). We can make a top down decision to change this by making a hard "200 incarcerated per 100,000" cap at the state level. Dec 31st of each year, each state with over 200 per 100,000 prisoners has to release prisoners until they are below the threshold.

I am not saying it is a simple problem, but any other solution ideas?

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