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Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
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Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
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How do you do automated deployments, though? I don't like using K8s for small stuff, but I am also extremely allergic to having to log on to a server to do anything. Dokku hits the sweet spot for me, but at work I would probably use Nomad instead.
Write a script which runs remotely over SSH and trigger on the appropriate event in your CI/CD host.
This is what I like to do. In my case, even the CI/CD host is just a systemd service I wrote.
The service just runs a script that uses netcat to listen on a special port that I also configured GitHub to send webhooks to, and processes the hook/deploys if appropriate.
Then when it's done, systemd restarts the script (it is set to always restart) and we're locked and loaded again. It's about 15 lines of shell script in total.
Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
#513Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am ready! NetBSD is running on the toaster. I think haproxy can do 10K req/s. tcpserver on the backends. I only write robust shell scripts, short and portable. As a spectator, not a tech worker who uses these popular solutions, I would say there seems to be a great affinity amongst in the tech industry for anything that is (relatively) complex. Either that, or the only solutions people today can come up with are co…
> I would say there seems to be a great affinity amongst in the tech industry for anything that is (relatively) complex. hah, i've noticed that too - specifically around k8s/deployments/system architecture too. i've taken to calling it complexity fetishisation. i think it stems from the belief/hope that, whilst they don't "google sized" data today, they need to allow for it. i'll take two toasters, please.
The reason for complexity fetishisation (great term!) is to show everybody else how amazingly smart you are. It's the infrastructure version of "clever" code.
Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
#514Main benefits of Kubernetes: • Lets companies brag about having # many production services at any given time • Company saves money by not having to hire Linux sysadmins • Company saves money by not having to pay for managed cloud products if they don't want to • Declarative, version controlled, git-blameable deployments • Treating cloud providers like cattle not pets It's going to eat the world (already has?). I was…
I've never coded in C++, so I'm curious - what is the feedback loop like? My understanding is that since C++ is a compiled language, you can't "hit refresh" the same way you can in JavaScript/Ruby/etc. Is that an incorrect understanding? I know C++ is supposed to be great for performance, but in truth I've never needed anything to be that fast. And if I can get the job done just as well with something I already know,…
Working in strongly statically typed languages is quite different, because the types (and the IDE/compiler) guides you. You don't have to hit refresh that often.
Even just working in TypeScript with TSed and a few basic strongly typed concepts (Rust's Result equivalent in TS, Option or Maybe, and typed http request/response, and Promise and JSON.parse) makes a big difference.
A lot less okay, just echo/print/log this object (or look up documentation eew), look at what does this look like and how to transform it into what I need. Instead you do that in the IDE.
Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
#515Main benefits of Kubernetes: • Lets companies brag about having # many production services at any given time • Company saves money by not having to hire Linux sysadmins • Company saves money by not having to pay for managed cloud products if they don't want to • Declarative, version controlled, git-blameable deployments • Treating cloud providers like cattle not pets It's going to eat the world (already has?). I was…
So now it's kubernetes + kludgy shell/Python scripts.
If it makes things more deterministic, then yeah, why not?
Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
#516I’ll take a shot. k8s is popular because Docker solved a real problem and Compose didn’t move fast enough to solve orchestration problem. It’s a second order effect; the important thing is Docker’s popularity. Before Docker there were a lot of different solutions for software developers to package up their web applications to run on a server. Docker kind of solved that problem: ops teams could theoretically take anyt…
> Docker solved a real problem > everybody thinks they need k8s and simply cargo cult it for a simple Wordpress blog docker _also_ has this problem though. there are probably 6 people in the world that need to run one program built with gcc 4.7.1 linked against libc 2.18 and another built with clang 7 and libstdc++ at the same time on the same machine. and yes, docker "provides benefits" other than package/binary/lib…
Of course the correct approach is the NixOS one. What docker really did is solve the packaging, distribution, and updating problem.
The dependency thing is just the fallout of the (bad) default provided by distributions.
Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
#517Earlier quoted context omitted.
> stable, version-controllable, and intuitive to use Neither of those features are inherently impossible to do with GUIs. Alternatively, you can have a GUI editing your text based configuration. Although, doesn't look as cool so, here we are.
There are quite a few GUI tools for k8s. Currently mainstream k8s is text based, because it's still too fast moving and new. Creating a great GUI would be a serious overhead and there's not enough interest/demand for it. It'll come eventually.
Rancher does a lot of the orchestrating of k8s clusters and works well in my experience.
Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
#518Main benefits of Kubernetes: • Lets companies brag about having # many production services at any given time • Company saves money by not having to hire Linux sysadmins • Company saves money by not having to pay for managed cloud products if they don't want to • Declarative, version controlled, git-blameable deployments • Treating cloud providers like cattle not pets It's going to eat the world (already has?). I was…
I am ready! NetBSD is running on the toaster. I think haproxy can do 10K req/s. tcpserver on the backends. I only write robust shell scripts, short and portable. As a spectator, not a tech worker who uses these popular solutions, I would say there seems to be a great affinity amongst in the tech industry for anything that is (relatively) complex. Either that, or the only solutions people today can come up with are co…
That's kind of why people use Google Go. No memory issues, statically linked, easy cross-compile, and it can handle 10k requests on a toaster.
And yes, there is less fancy companies like one where I work where we don't use Kubernetes because it's kind of overkill if all of your production workload fits onto 2 beefy bare metal servers.
I can see a point in using Docker to unify development and production environments into one immutable image. But I have yet to see a normal-sized company that gets a benefit from spreading out to hundreds of micro instances on a cloud and then coordinating that mess with Kubernetes. Of course, it'll be great if you're a unicorn, but most people using it are planning for way more scaling than what they'll realistically need and are, thus, overselling themselves on cloud costs.
Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
#519Main benefits of Kubernetes: • Lets companies brag about having # many production services at any given time • Company saves money by not having to hire Linux sysadmins • Company saves money by not having to pay for managed cloud products if they don't want to • Declarative, version controlled, git-blameable deployments • Treating cloud providers like cattle not pets It's going to eat the world (already has?). I was…
Can't agree more. To this add the moving-sand landscape of an ecosystem there. But then again it's actually the first public/popular attempt on a cloud OS. There might be a next one with better ergonomics than yamls.
Well aren't Openshift and Rancher offering those ergonomics?
Re: Why is Kubernetes getting so popular?
#520Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am ready! NetBSD is running on the toaster. I think haproxy can do 10K req/s. tcpserver on the backends. I only write robust shell scripts, short and portable. As a spectator, not a tech worker who uses these popular solutions, I would say there seems to be a great affinity amongst in the tech industry for anything that is (relatively) complex. Either that, or the only solutions people today can come up with are co…
> great affinity [...] for anything that is (relatively) complex. That, and mixture of a sunken cost fallacy/lack of the ability to step back and review if the chosen solution is really better/simpler rather than a hell of accidental complexity. If you've spend countless months to grok k8s and sell it to your customer/boss, it just has to be good, doesn't it? Plus, there's a great desire to go for an utopian future c…
> Plus, there's a great desire to go for an utopian future cleaning up all that's wrong with current tech. This [...] is the case with Rust [...]. Starting over is easier and more fun than fixing your shit.
The domain I'm working in might be non-representative, but for me fixing my shit systematically means switching from C++ to Rust. The problems the borrow checker addresses come up all time either in the form of security bugs (because humans are not good enough for manual memory management without a lot of help) or in the form of bad performance (because of reference counting or superfluous copies to avoid manual memory management).
But otherwise I agree with you that if we never put in the effort to polish our current tools, we'll only ever get the next 80%-ready solution out of the hype train.