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Re: N26 will be leaving the UK

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Bank transfers of money generally don't cost money. They are just slow.

Oh, really? Last time this came up people were saying you couldn't send $50 to your friend's bank account without something crazy like a $15 fee, and hence everyone apparently used a third-party app like Venmo.

I've never been charged for ACH between bank accounts at different banks.

https://www.mybanktracker.com/checking/faq/ach-transfer-fees...

Re: N26 will be leaving the UK

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What?! How can it possibly be worse than in the UK? I've lived in the UK and another European country, and if I didn't recognize brands like "HSBC" and "Barclays" I would have thought they were failed non serious players. The UK is quite literally decades behind some other countries, in banking.

> The UK is quite literally decades behind some other countries, in banking. In what ways?

Introduction of second factor. Reporting. Statements. Investment platforms (just try the stocks or the fund platforms with HSBC). Design. And some interfaces require you to have pen and paper because the transfer webpage can't show you you own accounts, so you have to type your sort code and account number into a blank form. And just plain keeping the message-of-the-day actually refer to things that happened this year.

For a start.

Re: N26 will be leaving the UK

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> we’ve already fully redesigned our mobile experience to simplify the actions that matter most to customers I couldn't contain my laugh reading that, sending money using the N26 app is a 12 steps process (no exaggeration) since the app update and the "AI" behind the categorization of spendings is an amazing garbage, e.g. I have a once a month recurring payment of the same amount from my landlord, I have categorized…

> sending money using the N26 app is a 12 steps process Not sure if we’re in different A/B test buckets or you’re in a different country and are using a different version but it’s four to five taps for me? Unless you’re counting the log in button and typing the amount as separate steps?

Connect, Manage, Money Transfer, Choosing one, Naming it, Verification, Send, Identity Verification, Confirmation of Identity Verification. So 9 views/steps.

Re: N26 will be leaving the UK

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post #329

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> sending money using the N26 app is a 12 steps process Not sure if we’re in different A/B test buckets or you’re in a different country and are using a different version but it’s four to five taps for me? Unless you’re counting the log in button and typing the amount as separate steps?

Connect, Manage, Money Transfer, Choosing one, Naming it, Verification, Send, Identity Verification, Confirmation of Identity Verification. So 9 views/steps.

Okay, we must have different versions of the app. On mine: Actions -> Bank Transfer -> Choose Recipient -> Enter amount -> Message -> Send -> Confirm

The real question is, which one of these do you think is unnecessary?

Re: N26 will be leaving the UK

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You're correct. Nobody believes them because so many of these so-called drawbacks have turned out to be lies. For instance, Goldman Sachs repeatedly claimed they'd be moving their business to Frankfurt in the case of a Leave vote. They even funded the Remain campaign. Now they leased their HQ in London for 25 years: https://news.sky.com/story/goldman-sachs-commits-to-uk-despi... - apparently not planning to leave the…

Your Goldman link shows Goldman selling their UK headquarters and leasing it back. A headquarters they planned before Brexit. It provides no information as to whether Goldman plan on sub-leasing. The financing of one of their buildings tells you nothing about hteir operations. Your second claim- that the EU commission would 'ban' EU companies from trading with 'British financial' in the wake of Brexit. I'd love to se…

Leasing it back ... for 25 years. Pretty critical detail you left out there! Why would you sign a 25 year lease on an expensive HQ for thousands of people if you were about to leave the country?

The EU revoking financial "equivalence" for non-financial reasons is a very well known phenomenon that was extensively discussed in and around the referendum time. They did it to Switzerland so there's been more since. For instance:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/london-city...

“If tomorrow Britain is not part of the single market, the City cannot keep this European passport,” Villeroy, who is also governor of the French central bank, told France Inter radio.

Note: no mention here of divergence, merely leaving the single market is enough to be immediately banned. There was lots like that at the time, although it's getting harder to find pre-referendum pages via search engines now.

I work for a finance company that's moved its legal entity to Amsterdam

Nobody ever cared about legal entities. But note you've done that in anticipation of the UK being banned from European markets, despite having no specific announced plans to change financial law in ways that would justify such a ban.

Re: N26 will be leaving the UK

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In Estonia transfers went from instant to slow after enforcing the SEPA payments. Same made transfers faster in other EU countries. Different starting points. Probably similar case in Finland. * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area

Hmmm... the introduction dates would match me leaving from there, so that would be a possible explanation. On the other hand, the existing system was already using IBAN and stuff, so as an ignorant customer, SEPA looks like an acknowledgement of what was already in use, not requiring any change in the process. Dunno. In your case, when you say slow , how slow has it become?

Bank transfers in Estonia did get slower when SEPA first arrived, but not horrendously so. I think the transfers used to be every 15 minutes and during most of the day. With SEPA it got downgraded to every hour and only during normal working hours. However nowadays we've already moved on to SEPA Instant Payments which take about 10 seconds and are EU-wide, provided the other EU bank isn't dragging its feet with implementing it.

Re: N26 will be leaving the UK

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post #480

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It really depends, Slovakia and Czech Republic usually have very modern banks. I can do everything through the app, I don’t remember the last time I had to go to an actual bank office. Apple Pay / Google Pay is almost everywhere, fast and easy bank-wire transfers, modern and secure apps with face/touch id...

All this seems really very biased. I think Germany has instant transfers for a fee but I am not sure. There was never a need for it. Czech has instant transfers already? Great. The CZ Bank I know charges 6 Euro per incomming EU Euro transaction.

I don't know if this is a recent thing, but my CZ bank charges nothing on incoming/outgoing SEPA payments (mbank). Regarding instant transfers, already supported by many banks in CZ (not mbank though, so can't tell if there is a fee), see https://www.mesec.cz/aktuality/okamzite-platby-umi-prijimat-...
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