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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by alwillis »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #499
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #201

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But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support. The dollar has a scalability problem that BAT doesn't. Is trading dollars for BAT on an exchange and then loading those BAT into your browser's wallet such a bad alternative?

> But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support This is flat out incorrect. Brave as a company can easily consolidate payments such that fees are minimal.

BAT is divisible to 18 decimal places, which means you can truly have micropayments that cannot (easily and cheaply) be done with dollars.

How do you tip $.0035 for a tweet?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Aeolun »

hinkley wrote: post #160
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

That depends. At least your whole page layout can be dedicated to what you actually provide.

Though I suspect popup system ads would become old soon too.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Aeolun »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #201
mdorazio wrote: post #54

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I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support. The dollar has a scalability problem that BAT doesn't. Is trading dollars for BAT on an exchange and then loading those BAT into your browser's wallet such a bad alternative?

Getting BAT on an exchange is needlessly complex and painful (and actually impossible for a lot of people without handing the exchange all their personal details up to and including passport).

I would much prefer to just give brave my CC details, regardless of what internal currency they’re using for rewarding content.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Aeolun »

alwillis wrote: post #511
lalaland1125 wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support This is flat out incorrect. Brave as a company can easily consolidate payments such that fees are minimal.

BAT is divisible to 18 decimal places, which means you can truly have micropayments that cannot (easily and cheaply) be done with dollars. How do you tip $.0035 for a tweet?

Does anyone care if they don’t get paid until they earn a full dollar?

Saying I earned 0.00045 BAT is fun, but doesn’t actually help me with anything until I convert it to dollars anyway.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lalaland1125 »

alwillis wrote: post #511
lalaland1125 wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support This is flat out incorrect. Brave as a company can easily consolidate payments such that fees are minimal.

BAT is divisible to 18 decimal places, which means you can truly have micropayments that cannot (easily and cheaply) be done with dollars. How do you tip $.0035 for a tweet?

Brave's internal ledger for micro-payments can measure dollars to however many decimal places they wish. Sure, when you actually transfer money out of the system there will have to be some rounding, but those transfers are minimal as Brave can batch them.

You only need one transfer for each user and one transfer for each content producer. You don't need and/or want the O(n^2) cross product transfers.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by JohnTHaller »

We've still got BAT enabled on PortableApps.com with the standard custom Brave browser header and donation ask you setup via their program. We got 31.35 BAT (about $8.08) for around 2.7 million page views in the last month. We also got a single 0.95 BAT (about 24 cent) donation. It seems that - right now at least - the only way a site will make enough money to be worth it is via Brave referrals (advertising Brave to your users to get them to switch).

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by ryandvm »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #267
jonathansampson wrote: post #179

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Brave Ads are opt-in, and user-configurable. You decide whether or not to participate, and to what degree (1 to 5 ads per hour). These ads are surfaced as OS notifications, which means they respect settings like Do Not Disturb, Focus Mode, etc. And, as always, you receive 70% of the ad revenue for your participation. Respectfully, that doesn't strike me as an "escalation of hostility" when you compare against the cur…

I already decided my Ad participation. I block ads, and want the advertising industry to die. This does not seem like a value add to me.

What happens when everyone makes the same choice in this prisoner's dilemma as you? Are you ready to lose all of the content that is supported by advertising (regardless of whether you view ads or not)?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by thekyle »

I would be more inclined to try BAT if it were just an extension that I could add to any browser of my choice. Also, having tried Brave it doesn't seem like you actually have the private keys to your own wallet since I wasn't able to withdraw any funds without an Uphold account.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by mrtweetyhack »

asdkhadsj wrote: post #292
cyborgx7 wrote: post #267

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I already decided my Ad participation. I block ads, and want the advertising industry to die. This does not seem like a value add to me.

Yea, I'd be happier if there was some notion of an inherent value in my eyeballs - and then I could just put that money into the system. Eg, I pay $5/m or $15/m, whatever, and that gets split up by the number of pages I view and content I consume. I'm a firm believer that FOSS and (Internet) Content needs funding. Yet, I loathe ads. They promote (but are not solely to blame for) behavior that is a brain drain on soci…

Sounds like extortion to me

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by frogpelt »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #442
arghwhat wrote: post #334

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Yes, this is a perfectly sensible stance, which of course requires you to actively pay for content instead, either through brave or some other program. I'm sure you're not just expecting content creators to make stuff for you full-time entirely for free. Ads should die, but it requires consumers to realize that they need to pay for content one way or another.

I do pay several patreon, have automatic transfer set up for two projects, and a long standing subscription to a website I'm a fan of. But people don't need to realize anything for ads to die. All they need to realize is that they should all be using ad blockers and never ever turning it off again. Being able to make people look in your direction long enough to show them something else they might spend money on is no…

Sorry but this is a very disingenuous stance.

The only way you would find new products or services is by 20th century word of mouth or search. And search is built on a mountain of ad dollars.

Are you claiming that you don't need Google?

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